# Access to 'Parasitic Wasps' by Donald Quicke **URL:** \ **Category:** Nature Talk\ **Created:** [October 6, 2021, 11:27pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987 "2021-10-06T23:27:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![thebeachcomber](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/thebeachcomber/32/12748_2.png) [@thebeachcomber](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/thebeachcomber)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 11:27pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/1 "2021-10-06T23:27:39Z")
I’m writing up a short note at the moment about a cool wasp observation I made earlier this week ([https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/97123462](https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/97123462)). I was advised that a really good reference to get some more info + cite would be ‘Parasitic Wasps’ by Donald Quicke, however, it costs $400-500, and my university library doesn’t seem to have a copy/access to it. Does anyone have a copy of the book by any chance, and would be willing to photograph some pages for me? ---
**Author:** ![cthawley](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/cthawley/32/1445_2.png) [@cthawley](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/cthawley)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 1:02am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/2 "2021-10-07T01:02:24Z")
No access here, but I’m surprised they can’t ILL it…:( ---
**Author:** ![thomaseverest](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/thomaseverest/32/63220_2.png) [@thomaseverest](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/thomaseverest)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 4:57am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/4 "2021-10-07T04:57:33Z")
I’m not even finding it in my library searches, which seems a little odd given it’s on Springer. I’m finding it for about half that price from used bookstores though: [https://isbn.nu/9780412583506](https://isbn.nu/9780412583506) ---
**Author:** ![thebeachcomber](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/thebeachcomber/32/12748_2.png) [@thebeachcomber](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/thebeachcomber)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 5:49am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/5 "2021-10-07T05:49:51Z")
> [@cthawley](#): > > I’m surprised they can’t ILL it > [@brian\_d](#): > > I’d second the idea to try interlibrary loan too (or similar programs) I’ve used my uni’s ILL a lot in the past for papers, but large print books like this are an issue at the moment. I tried to access something similar last year (and actually not even as big/as many pages), and they said that for things like that, they require the other institution to send a physical copy as they can’t scan that many pages. The problem at the moment is that the uni has been shutdown for 3 months due to COVID, and the print media loan stream has been shutdown as well :( ---
**Author:** ![thebeachcomber](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/thebeachcomber/32/12748_2.png) [@thebeachcomber](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/thebeachcomber)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 5:51am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/6 "2021-10-07T05:51:10Z")
thanks, I hadn’t seen these (although keeping mind those are in USD, I’m AUD, so $200 = $275 for me) ---
**Author:** ![headsoup](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/headsoup/32/24960_2.png) [@headsoup](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/headsoup)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 11:10am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/8 "2021-10-07T11:10:00Z")
Plus shipping so probably $300+ (edit - checked, it’s +$40USD shipping from AbeBooks for the $200 copy!) I’m thinking about ordering this book, I have many wasp observations (no Megalyra though!) but struggle with ID due to limited source material and IDers. But I’m also wondering if the book might be over my head too as I’m still early in learning the terminology and biology. It’s also from 1997, are there any significant changes in understanding/taxonomy since then to be careful of, or newer material available? Sorry to slightly side-track… Is afterpay through Booktopia an option for you (says 10-15 days shipping there, states it’s printed on demand)? If I do order it soon I’ll let you know in case you haven’t found it otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![thebeachcomber](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/thebeachcomber/32/12748_2.png) [@thebeachcomber](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/thebeachcomber)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 11:42am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/9 "2021-10-07T11:42:54Z")
> [@headsoup](#): > > It’s also from 1997, are there any significant changes in understanding/taxonomy since then to be careful of, or newer material available? I’m not 100% sure as I’m very very much inexperienced with anything wasp-related at all, but I suspect that being almost 25 years old that some of the content would be dated for sure. Having said that, most of the stuff around morphology, ecology, etc should be fairly ‘timeless’ I would think and still very much correct/relevant. Hopefully someone with more wasp expertise can weigh in though. > [@headsoup](#): > > Is afterpay through Booktopia an option for you (says 10-15 days shipping there, states it’s printed on demand)? unsure, I haven’t checked that one yet > [@headsoup](#): > > If I do order it soon I’ll let you know in case you haven’t found it otherwise. very much appreciated :) ---
**Author:** ![botanicaltreasures](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/botanicaltreasures/32/6537_2.png) [@botanicaltreasures](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/botanicaltreasures)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 12:13pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/10 "2021-10-07T12:13:56Z")
Do you mean The Braconid and Ichneumonid Parasitoid Wasps by Donald L. J. Quicke? My husband bought it for me last Christmas. What pages do you need? It is copyright 2015. ![IMG_9653](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/inaturalist/original/3X/3/0/309dc5a4cddb753f5421105286470ced91eb3646.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![gabrif](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/gabrif/32/568_2.png) [@gabrif](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/gabrif)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 1:21pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/11 "2021-10-07T13:21:40Z")
On ResearchGate there is a pointer to a revision of the genus, maybe you can request it from the author: [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/248899112](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/248899112) ---
**Author:** ![weekend](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/weekend/32/20587_2.png) [@weekend](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/weekend)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 3:08pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/12 "2021-10-07T15:08:01Z")
[https://libgen.is/search.php?req=Quicke&open=0&res=25&view=simple&phrase=1&column=def](https://libgen.is/search.php?req=Quicke&open=0&res=25&view=simple&phrase=1&column=def) 🏴‍☠️ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![thebeachcomber](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/thebeachcomber/32/12748_2.png) [@thebeachcomber](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/thebeachcomber)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 5:55pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/13 "2021-10-07T17:55:27Z")
Thanks, but not this one unfortunately; my wasp is in Megalyridae, and this particular book from 1997 (What an awesome present though!) ---
**Author:** ![thebeachcomber](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/thebeachcomber/32/12748_2.png) [@thebeachcomber](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/thebeachcomber)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 5:57pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/14 "2021-10-07T17:57:28Z")
Thanks; I managed to access that paper online and used the key in it to ID to species. Plus I’ve been in email correspondence with him, and he’s been kind enough to be a co-author on the note with me :) ---
**Author:** ![ddennism](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/ddennism/32/3719_2.png) [@ddennism](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/ddennism)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 6:33pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/15 "2021-10-07T18:33:57Z")
Yes, I have this book (library loan). Which pages? ---
**Author:** ![thebeachcomber](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/thebeachcomber/32/12748_2.png) [@thebeachcomber](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/thebeachcomber)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 9:34pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/16 "2021-10-07T21:34:14Z")
You’re amazing! I’ll send you a message ---
**Author:** ![headsoup](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/headsoup/32/24960_2.png) [@headsoup](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/headsoup)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 12:23am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/17 "2021-10-13T00:23:14Z")
@thebeachcomber btw I just came across this reference: [https://www.publish.csiro.au/book/94/#contents](https://www.publish.csiro.au/book/94/#contents) It’s the Hymenoptera section of the CSIRO’s “Insects of Australia.” You can get the Hymenoptera section for $10 as pdf (I just bought it), which has descriptions of Megalyra including some drawings. The pdf is 85 pages and full of information and visuals. PM me if you want any specific info. ---
**Author:** ![thebeachcomber](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/thebeachcomber/32/12748_2.png) [@thebeachcomber](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/thebeachcomber)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 1:01am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/18 "2021-10-13T01:01:37Z")
cool! Well for $10, that seems pretty reasonable to me, may as well buy it. Cheers for that ---
**Author:** ![thebeachcomber](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/thebeachcomber/32/12748_2.png) [@thebeachcomber](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/thebeachcomber)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 1:43am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/19 "2021-10-13T01:43:32Z")
How did you actually buy it? When I press the PDF button, it just ‘redirects’ me to the exact same page… ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/inaturalist/original/3X/0/9/0942081339abdfcaa576b4033d67547737a120a0.png) ---
**Author:** ![headsoup](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/headsoup/32/24960_2.png) [@headsoup](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/headsoup)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 2:45am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/20 "2021-10-14T02:45:37Z")
Once you’ve clicked it, you then just go to the shopping cart (near top of the page) and proceed there. It certainly doesn’t make that obvious… ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/inaturalist/original/2X/7/7831452cf7f0d653ff1ffd34176334b7ef1b6a17.png) [@system](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2021, 2:46am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/access-to-parasitic-wasps-by-donald-quicke/26987/21 "2021-12-13T02:46:25Z")
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