# Bee (and wasp) misconceptions **URL:** \ **Category:** Nature Talk\ **Tags:** question\ **Created:** [November 29, 2022, 1:48am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565 "2022-11-29T01:48:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![egordon88](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/egordon88/32/29204_2.png) [@egordon88](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/egordon88)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 1:48am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/1 "2022-11-29T01:48:27Z")
I’m starting to sketch out some presentations to local gardening groups next year that highlight pollinators, especially the wonderfully diverse native bees of New Mexico. I want to address common false ideas, so who better to ask than this forum. Running list: - all bees live in hives and produce honey - all wasps sting - all bees die when they sting - all bees collect pollen - all wasps are evil and aggressive (a la murder hornets) - all bees look like a Western honeybee - only bees pollinate (aka “flies do not pollinate”) - more bee hives is the answer to ‘save the bees’ - we need more dandelion and clover filled yards to save the bees (aka all plants benefit bees equally) - not considering habitat requirements beyond flowers - bee hotels are easy and always good (also buying and releasing Mason and Leafcutter Bees to occupy the hotels) - anything about pesticide use - any flying insect with yellow and black stripes is a bee or wasp - bumblebees don´t sting - wasps come into houses in autumn because they search a place for winter (it seem to be cases when colonies start to break down and the most likely exit for all those dying wasps is also an entrance into the house) - “this non-stripey insect must be some kind of fly” when people do notice sweat bees Which ideas have you heard in circulation or used to think were true? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![arboretum\_amy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/arboretum_amy/32/2328_2.png) [@arboretum\_amy](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/arboretum_amy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:12am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/2 "2022-11-29T02:12:44Z")
So there are female wasps that can’t sting? Are they too small or they don’t have the means or…? (Assuming wasps are like bees in that the males never have the ability to sting?) ---
**Author:** ![ItsMeLucy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/49beb7/32.png) [@ItsMeLucy](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/ItsMeLucy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:13am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/3 "2022-11-29T02:13:08Z")
All bees sting. All bees look alike (usually like a Western honeybee). Flies do not pollinate. (Above are falsehoods, obviously.) ---
**Author:** ![egordon88](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/egordon88/32/29204_2.png) [@egordon88](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/egordon88)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:17am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/4 "2022-11-29T02:17:18Z")
By sting, I assume we mean pierce human skin (worth clarifying). Most Parasitica wasps can’t do this and wouldn’t anyway, because their ovipositor isn’t meant for self-defense. If you include ants in “wasps”, that’s another large group that doesn’t sting. Also, here’s a wikipedia excerpt > Stingless bees, sometimes called stingless honey bees or simply meliponines, are a large group of bees (about 550 described species), comprising the tribe Meliponini[1][2] (or subtribe Meliponina according to other authors).[3] They belong in the family Apidae, and are closely related to common honey bees, carpenter bees, orchid bees, and bumblebees.[2][4] Meliponines have stingers, but they are highly reduced and cannot be used for defense, though these bees exhibit other defensive behaviors and mechanisms. Meliponines are not the only type of bee incapable of stinging: all male bees and many female bees of several other families, such as Andrenidae, also cannot sting.[1] Some stingless bees have powerful mandibles and can inflict painful bites.[5] [Stingless bee - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stingless_bee) ---
**Author:** ![arboretum\_amy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/arboretum_amy/32/2328_2.png) [@arboretum\_amy](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/arboretum_amy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:21am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/5 "2022-11-29T02:21:07Z")
“A **wasp** is any [insect](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insect) of the narrow-waisted suborder [Apocrita](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrita) of the order [Hymenoptera](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymenoptera) which is neither a [bee](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bee) nor an [ant](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant); this excludes the broad-waisted [sawflies](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawflies) (Symphyta), which look somewhat like wasps, but are in a separate suborder.” Okay today I learned wasps are bit taxonomically vague… ---
**Author:** ![ItsMeLucy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/49beb7/32.png) [@ItsMeLucy](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/ItsMeLucy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:25am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/6 "2022-11-29T02:25:37Z")
[Nannotrigona perilampoides](https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/270991-Nannotrigona-perilampoides), which I just noticed I am the top observer of, huh, would _never_ be so gauche as to bite. That said, you can see their wee mandibles here. (There are two colonies in walls in the garden.) ![20220509_104913](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/inaturalist/original/3X/8/0/80af11311eea908c066699b00f73ac109be54b10.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![egordon88](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/egordon88/32/29204_2.png) [@egordon88](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/egordon88)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:26am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/7 "2022-11-29T02:26:19Z")
Meanwhile, some sawflies are called “wood wasps” ---
**Author:** ![robotpie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/robotpie/32/630_2.png) [@robotpie](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/robotpie)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:26am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/8 "2022-11-29T02:26:48Z")
We need to save honeybees! ---
**Author:** ![ItsMeLucy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/49beb7/32.png) [@ItsMeLucy](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/ItsMeLucy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:28am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/9 "2022-11-29T02:28:22Z")
We need to save ALL bees. ---
**Author:** ![egordon88](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/egordon88/32/29204_2.png) [@egordon88](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/egordon88)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:35am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/10 "2022-11-29T02:35:17Z")
ALL bees? That sounds difficult ---
**Author:** ![robotpie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/robotpie/32/630_2.png) [@robotpie](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/robotpie)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:36am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/11 "2022-11-29T02:36:06Z")
Ok sure, but the point of the comment was about good-hearted people wanting to help but focusing their attention in the wrong direction, especially in locations where honeybees are nonnative. EDIT: This is in the context of I guess aiming to maximize the biodiversity of native species, I think… EDIT x2: [Very interesting article regarding the issues with honeybees](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-problem-with-honey-bees/) ---
**Author:** ![ItsMeLucy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/49beb7/32.png) [@ItsMeLucy](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/ItsMeLucy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:40am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/12 "2022-11-29T02:40:33Z")
There are so many native bee species diminishing and in danger of disappearing or appearing to have lost large areas of habitat because of invasive bee species and because of the introduction and rising popularity of non-native plants over native ones (with native plants recategorized as “weeds”). This is a real issue here. Is it not there? ---
**Author:** ![ItsMeLucy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/49beb7/32.png) [@ItsMeLucy](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/ItsMeLucy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:43am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/13 "2022-11-29T02:43:41Z")
Oh my goodness, I _just_ realized this was your myth. I thought you were promoting the “save the honeybees”, which, like all things, made its way here and there are like forty-kablillionty native non honeybee species that are in a little more need of saving. Please forgive my idiocy. (I reallyreally need the Copa to end so I can sleep again. 😂) ---
**Author:** ![egordon88](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/egordon88/32/29204_2.png) [@egordon88](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/egordon88)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:45am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/14 "2022-11-29T02:45:25Z")
No need to apologize. Your genuine concern is refreshing. * * * USA! USA! USA! Mexico is a lost cause though. No offense outside Lozano. ---
**Author:** ![robotpie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/robotpie/32/630_2.png) [@robotpie](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/robotpie)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:48am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/15 "2022-11-29T02:48:03Z")
Ah, and I thought your reply was like a supplemental comment. ---
**Author:** ![ItsMeLucy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/49beb7/32.png) [@ItsMeLucy](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/ItsMeLucy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:53am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/16 "2022-11-29T02:53:02Z")
I have the tiniest garden, it is so small by US standards, but nonetheless I have seen [19 species of bees](https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=any&taxon_id=630955&user_id=itsmelucy&verifiable=any&view=species) in it. It just renders me in awe. It’s staggering. (I am clinically stupid at this point, for sleep deprivation. And pshaw, I still have hope; there’s one thread-the-needle way MX could continue, involving the results from both games Wednesday. But they must play Henry Martín! El Yucateco!) ---
**Author:** ![marina\_gorbunova](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/marina_gorbunova/32/31454_2.png) [@marina\_gorbunova](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/marina_gorbunova)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:59am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/17 "2022-11-29T02:59:23Z")
I usually hear wasps and hornets are evil and want to bite you, and bees a good. But here wasps mean Aculeata that are not bees. So, to add, ichneumonids can’t sting: they don’t have stinger, but once I tried to catch a pimplid with bare hands, ir stand my hand and red dot was swollen and itchy for a couple of days. There’s a reason evolution worked this way on wasps. ---
**Author:** ![jasonhernandez74](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/jasonhernandez74/32/33615_2.png) [@jasonhernandez74](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/jasonhernandez74)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 3:05am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/18 "2022-11-29T03:05:24Z")
The misconception of planting to “attract” pollinators. If the pollinators being “attracted” are honey bees, they are probably just being attracted away from the crops they were intended to pollinate. ---
**Author:** ![neylon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/neylon/32/7926_2.png) [@neylon](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/neylon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 3:11am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/19 "2022-11-29T03:11:59Z")
My favorite thing to point out when people think that all pollinators are bees is what a major pollinator of Agave is, bats. So if you like tequila, then you should like bats. Flies as the ones that bring us chocolate usually surprises people as well. Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t it a wasp that is a major pollinator of figs? But yeah, the list you have covers the usual myths that just won’t die. One to add: “To save the bees we need more dandelion and clover filled yards!” Ehh, it may help a little but it’s more of a band-aid. I’d like to know why when discussing birds everyone seems to understand that they need food, water, cover, nesting, but when discussing bees, apparently they only need food. ---
**Author:** ![egordon88](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/egordon88/32/29204_2.png) [@egordon88](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/egordon88)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 3:17am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565/20 "2022-11-29T03:17:17Z")
> [@neylon](#): > > we need more dandelion In Europe, this probably works 🙂 [Genus Andrena (Mining Bees). Apparent dandelion/aster specialist, repeatedly ignoring buttercups and other flowers nearby · iNaturalist](https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/115621415) > [@neylon](#): > > I’d like to know why when discussing birds everyone seems to understand that they need food, water, cover, nesting, but when discussing bees, apparently they only need food. I’ll make sure to highlight this. Especially because people interfere with ground-nesting bees by use of plastic “weed barrier” and paving everything. [Next page](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/bee-and-wasp-misconceptions/37565.md?page=2)