Explore map doesn't show both wild and non-wild points at the same time

See https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/733722-Leucadendron-laureolum-×-salignum
This is a hybrid cultivar, so should almost always be “not wild”

However, if I go to the maps tab, and click off the " * Verifiable Observations" option, it still shows nothing, despite my checking that the place filter is global.

According to https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=any&subview=grid&taxon_id=733722&verifiable=any there should be 10 observations.

Is this a bug, or some functionality I am unaware of.

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I’m seeing 10 observations when I click off verifiable:

Perhaps just a glitch?

All the casual grade ones are hidden on the map though

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I might be wrong, but on the taxa page map view, I believe the filter means either show verifiable observations (if enabled) or show no observations (if disabled), I don’t think you can choose on that map view to see both verifiable and non verifiable records.

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Sorry, misread, (sigh). I generally just use observations search so I rarely think of taxon pages. Inquiring with our developers…

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Would you not need a three-way toggle, one for dont show any observations, and one each for the two types of observations.

I don’t think this is a bug, it strikes me as the intended behaviour, given that all the other toggles on there are to allow showing or hiding outright of data not chossing a specific subset of it.

Talking with Ken-ichi, checking the verifiable box should append “verifiable=true” to the map request, and un-checking it should remove that, thus showing all observations. I’ll file an issue so it can be looked into some more.

I’m unclear why you would have that 1 option on the map to be forced to always be visible, that way it means unlike all the other criteria on the map - checklists, GBIF records etc there is no way to turn it off.

Would a better choice not be to change the behaviour of the Observations without Media toggle to be any non verifiable observation for whatever reason, and then maintain the consistency of behaviour of being able to remove that category from visibility for all layers on the map ?

Feel free to add to the issue, I just wanted to get one started so this can be looked into.

Request added, when approved, I will edit this to include a link.

Well, we should make sure “mapped wrong” observations still don’t show up. Wrong date, etc are fine. It would be neat to be able to specifically toggle just the observations that need ID too! But I realize not everyone wants 100 map layers the way I do

Has anything come of this?

In this following explore view I have set a bounding box around the arboretum and the “verifiable” option is set in the filter:

Note that the casual observations are not showing, presumably because they are marked as cultivated.

In this following view from the arboretum project you can see all of the cultivated observations as pins:

but when you click on “View All” by the Recent observations section of the project page, it takes you to an explore view that then doesn’t show the pins…

When you hover over the observation in the list at right, it puts the usual balloon on the map…

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Have just noticed from another topic in the forums about this, that there is a “captive=all” that can be tacked on to the url to bring up the map pins for the cultivated observations. It is far from obvious that this needs to be done.

A couple days ago I went for a trip out to the arboretum to scout for a location to take a group of school children to learn about odonata, and while there I wanted to make more observations of the cultivated plants, so I chose an area of the arboretum that didn’t have any pins. When there, I was surprised to see it was an area I had already been through, so for me it was not even obvious that they were being excluded on the map, let alone how to show them.

Will this be addressed with the new explore page functionality?

I wonder if this one was fixed, because now when I click View all, I see a bunch of pins.

There are now over 200 observations of this taxon, and when I view the map at the link above, I see all the pins displayed on the map, whether or not they’re casual grade, so I’ll close this report.