Is a photo of entrails too offensive for iNaturalist?

How would your flag work?
some one can flag observations by others
some one could use the option to not see such content.
would this flag count to all or per taxonomic class or genus?

I dont want to see dead elephants
I would still be interessted in dead rats
I dont want to see dead gentiana flowers
if it is a dead ambrosia i am very fine with it

How do things get flaged and how do they get filtered

I find a particular photo distressing, so I flag it, perhaps with reason “Has too much red, I only like blue photos”. It can be any photo, mine or from others…

You, knowing yourself to be a sensitive individual, have ticked the setting “provide warnings for potentially distressing content”. You are reviewing observations and come across the one that I flagged as “too much red”… Instead of showing the photo, it has a text warning “This image was flagged by other iNatters as having too much red. Click HERE to show the image anyway…” and if you click then it replaces the warning with the photo.

If you are not a sensitive soul, then you notice nothing different… all photos show as normal. If anyone complains or comments about distressing content, they can be told about the setting in their account, and they can turn it on so they get warnings in future!

Perhaps the list of categories for this could be controlled by curators, or it might be at staff level that it is handled. Wouldn’t want to create too many categories etc or it becomes unwieldy

So i dont like red elephants and thats preventing me from seeing red snails which i would like to see?

no, you would get a warning, and can choose to click the warning to show the image… and ONLY if you have enabled the warning s for potentially distressing images (and the emphasis is on potentially )

Have you encountered the “copyright infringement” graphic that replaces photos marked as such? It would look like that, but instead you click the text and it gets replaced with the image. Effectively giving the “heads up warning” that you might be distressed if you proceed, but you still can if you so choose…

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Ok this sounds like a simple solution.
I would like, if i could, connet this to a taxonomic range, like all or just insecst or just bees.
But if i always have mosty to click on yes/no because some where may hides a dead elephant it will be so.

I would imagine the amount of photos flagged would be very low, and I imagine the amount of iNatters that utilise the setting in their account to be equally low. Anyone that had the setting and found the warnings too frequent might just make the decision that having to do so is more distressing than the images themselves!

yes

maybe some people abuse it and do false flaging, some how this must get prevented.

so far your solution sounds resonable

It has nothing to do with birth. It’s a section of the large intestines, much like the observation one that sentraevant said they had in mind when they started this discussion (https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/29995918)…it’s just that this one is empty and not bloody (possibly because it is in water) . :)

keep in mind that the forum is just about the discussion… staff and development do review our discussions, but even if an idea is perfect, it doesn’t mean it will get implemented. Our job is to come up with as many angles and ideas as possible, so that if they do decide to change or implement, they get a good understanding of all aspects at play

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Yeah, but if it’s not pre-emptively flagged by the observer on upload, it won’t have a flag at all…and then somebody filtering on those flags is still going to see it.

to be honest the non-bloody did look more like gore to me than the bloody one, the non-bloody one gives more space for imagination.
Strange.

That’s kind of the point… how is the observer going to know if it’s distressing to others? If they are considerate, and thought to themselves “this might distress others” they could put the flag on themselves. Many of us would do that! But yes, in grey area cases it would take someone to actually be distressed enough to consider putting the flag. It’s kind of like having encountered something on a trail, and being distressed by it, sending word back along the trail to others to be careful not to look as they go past. No one is going to know it’s distressing until someone actually is distressed by it! If something is so distressing that even the observer doesn’t want to see it, then they wouldn’t (one would hope) be uploading it anyway!

So far…
gore is a difuse definition
dead or alive button produces interessting data
flag system is a idea, may connected to a taxonomic range
there must be a solution to prevent false flaging

Yes we all know nature can be brutal.
So its not a tv show with happy end.

to make the best out of your post what seems to be a bit random.

I also think its brutal, all species eat an other species, the serie could be a bit more documented. As it is, it just shows a bloody bird, interessting would it be if the injuries would be a bit closer documented.
I think it would give a bit more scientific value to the set.

If the injuries are documented closely it gets some scientific value
what can we get from the serie?
there are birds, he could have took a picture from a living species.
because of that i would agree this is gore.
if he would document the whole fight or at least every bite or close up of the injuries i would say it is scientific.

I understand why he shares this. It was traumatic to him and he has to some how get over it or he want us to know or remember about the brutality in nature.

I think it may more belongs to a spectacular site. But if it would be woerse but also a bit more documented i would say it gets scientific value and belongs to this site.

i think its a bit a grey zone.

interesting would be what happened before and after this serie.
as it is, it is just spectacular.

i may would accept the gore flag in this case.
but not if he would have documented how this happened and how he did die from this, because this would be science.

May i can make the point more clear…

if you have a picture of a snake using its teeth on a rat it is scientific, it can help to identify the snake, its a documented case where this type of snake uses teeth to kill a rat, and it does not strangulate its victim. this is informative.

if you have a bloody picture with specific wounds by a species it is informative and can help to identify the species which killed an other one.

if it is just a bloody bird… this happens all day in the chicken industries… the wounds on the photos ar not realy specific, it could also have been by a ship or human or any thing biger than the bird

in the other had the same pictures would be scientific if it were in example some bacteria, in that case it could help to identify the bacteria ot it could help to identify what happens to such birds if they look like this one.

but just a bloody bird for the spectacularity … i think it is gore in that case

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I’m temporarily closing this thread, as it’s been dominated by a few voices over the past few hours.

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I trust observers on this site to be courteous, since the only topics I’ve seen about this have been from people concerned about other people’s well-being on the site. It’s not going to be a perfect system no matter how we implement it, so it would be important to make it easy and accessible for the observer uploading the picture, and also for anyone who IDs or annotates.

Some will slip through yes, and there will probably be some arguments, but this idea will help more people than what we have currently :)

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Sorry - tried to make this a new thread but don’t know how to quote to it.

I can’t say what animal left the entrails so surgically excised, but my cats regularly leave mouse, vole, etc., entrails behind. Sometimes they are in an intact pile, sometime it appears that the odd kidney had been pursued across the floor. One time I saw my calico throw up a set of rabbit entrails (intestinal tract from stomach to large intestine) that was so big I’m baffled how they came out, let alone how they went in! And they were completely intact - not only the organs still attached to each other, but no punctures. I’ve never seen the cats eating their kill beyond the head, so I haven’t seen how ingestion happens.

I asked a vet about this once, and they didn’t know. Apparently large cats in the wild typically go for the belly first, the hypothesis being that it is the most easily accessible and has material that is very nutritious and partly digested already. I’m not sure I buy the last bit, but in any case, it doesn’t appear to hold across the feline family.

I don’t know where you are, but maybe your remains were left by a bobcat or something similar.

(BTW, there is already a thread on culling outdoor cats to prevent extinctions, so I’d respectfully request that we not go there here :-) I’d post tnhe link but i’m on the phone)

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