# Question about evidence of human activity **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [July 28, 2020, 5:50pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/question-about-evidence-of-human-activity/14933 "2020-07-28T17:50:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jacek\_kurzawa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/jacek_kurzawa/32/11320_2.png) [@jacek\_kurzawa](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/jacek_kurzawa)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 5:50pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/question-about-evidence-of-human-activity/14933/1 "2020-07-28T17:50:25Z")
> [@Automatically add a spectrogram view to observations with sounds](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/automatically-add-a-spectrogram-view-to-observations-with-sounds/3579/14): > > Observation photos are intended and assumed to be photographic evidence for the recent presence of an organism, i.e. they should communicate what you saw in the field. Not spectrograms, not habitat shots, not pictures of the sky to show what the weather was like, not photos of photos, just actual photos that show someone what you saw, and hopefully look like what others might see when seeing similar evidence for the recent presence of the same taxon. I have question about “non-organism” and inappropriate content: [https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/help#inappropriate](https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/help#inappropriate) Airplanes, bicycles, buildings, music instruments and more … as “observation of human activity” - are aceopted in iNaturalist or not? Example here: [https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/26493066](https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/26493066) What we should doing? ---
**Author:** ![tiwane](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/tiwane/32/54612_2.png) [@tiwane](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/tiwane)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/question-about-evidence-of-human-activity/14933/2 "2020-07-28T18:24:58Z")
A few observations like this are not a problem - ID them as human and ask the user to only add photos of organisms or recent evidence of organisms. Observations of humans are automatically “casual” grade and do not show up on maps or search results by default. However, if someone is adding a lot of them, then that’s not proper use of iNat. ---
**Author:** ![jacek\_kurzawa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/jacek_kurzawa/32/11320_2.png) [@jacek\_kurzawa](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/jacek_kurzawa)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 6:35pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/question-about-evidence-of-human-activity/14933/3 "2020-07-28T18:35:43Z")
Simply idea - are photos of people allowed or not? Directly - human. Does iNaturalist gather observations of HUMAN on the Earth? And “activity on human”? It is important and simply question. It should be clearly articulated and showed in help, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![tiwane](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/tiwane/32/54612_2.png) [@tiwane](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/tiwane)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/question-about-evidence-of-human-activity/14933/4 "2020-07-28T18:37:31Z")
Observations fo humans are allowed, they’re just made difficult to find. ---
**Author:** ![cmcheatle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/cmcheatle/32/37_2.png) [@cmcheatle](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/cmcheatle)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 7:07pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/question-about-evidence-of-human-activity/14933/5 "2020-07-28T19:07:23Z")
> [@jacek\_kurzawa](#): > > . It should be clearly articulated and showed in help From the help file directly, sorry only in English: Pictures of pets, humans, abiotic phenomena, or obvious test observations are okay unless someone repeatedly posts such content [https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/help#inappropriate](https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/help#inappropriate) ---
**Author:** ![jacek\_kurzawa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/jacek_kurzawa/32/11320_2.png) [@jacek\_kurzawa](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/jacek_kurzawa)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 8:53pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/question-about-evidence-of-human-activity/14933/6 "2020-07-28T20:53:35Z")
Thanks! Aall these examples will classified as Casual after mark “no”: > Other abiotic phenomena should be marked as “Evidence of organism — No” Above: > Although iNat is primarily for sharing observations of wild organisms, observations of captive animals, garden plants, and other organisms most naturalists may not find interesting are okay (they’re alive, after all) Bicycles, airplanes are not alive. In my opinion all the results of human activity should be forbidden. What is this: [https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/51081045](https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/51081045) Homo sapiens??? Unbeliveable. No, it is is a wooden bench! not Homo sapiens. iNaturalist as global system information about WILD LIFE , system connected to GBIF should have higher scientific level and non-valuable photos should be like deleted permanently from here. ---
**Author:** ![cmcheatle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/cmcheatle/32/37_2.png) [@cmcheatle](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/cmcheatle)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/question-about-evidence-of-human-activity/14933/7 "2020-07-28T21:08:42Z")
> [@jacek\_kurzawa](#): > > Unbeliveable. No, it is is a wooden bench! not Homo sapiens. It is evidence of a human, in the same way tracks, bones, nests, scat etc are and can be evidence of an animal, and accepted as submissions. Why human records are allowed in small numbers is discussed here [https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/why-do-we-have-observations-of-human/13807/2](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/why-do-we-have-observations-of-human/13807/2) Records of humans, or any casual record for that matter are not sent to GBIF. ---
**Author:** ![kiwifergus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/kiwifergus/32/1904_2.png) [@kiwifergus](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/kiwifergus)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/question-about-evidence-of-human-activity/14933/8 "2020-07-28T21:20:32Z")
> [@jacek\_kurzawa](#): > > iNaturalist as global system information about WILD LIFE , system connected to GBIF should have higher scientific level I’m not staff or developer, this is just my thinking: Observations marked casual are not sent to GBIF etc. So marking a bench as “evidence a human was there” is a way to make casual and protect GBIF from such observations. iNaturalist is not primarily designed as a data collecting tool for scientists. That is a very useful (but secondary) extra! Main goal is to encourage people to value the natural world, and banning or deleting content is a somewhat off-putting way to keep the focus on wildlife, so the approach is a more friendly one where we just encourage the desired behaviour/content. ---
**Author:** ![jacek\_kurzawa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/jacek_kurzawa/32/11320_2.png) [@jacek\_kurzawa](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/jacek_kurzawa)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 7:43am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/question-about-evidence-of-human-activity/14933/9 "2020-07-29T07:43:50Z")
> [@cmcheatle](#): > > It is evidence of a human, in the same way tracks, bones, nests, scat etc are and can be evidence of an animal, and accepted as submissions. Thank You for response. GBIF - ok. Human - ok. But - for me - airplane is airplane not “evidence of a human”. And surely Airplane is not Homo sapiens! Human - ok but if more 25% in posts - not accepted in iNat. [https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/curator+guide](https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/curator+guide) I have next 3 questions: 1. Is the same: “human activity” and “abiotic phenomena”? 2. “abiotic phenomena” is accepted but “human activity” is accepted or not? I can’t find it in guides, helps, FAQ. 3. Buildings, streets, vehicles etc are accepted or not and why? Correct ID for these should be, respectively “Buildings, streets, vehicles” or “Homo sapiens”? Thanks for patience. ---
**Author:** ![kiwifergus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/kiwifergus/32/1904_2.png) [@kiwifergus](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/kiwifergus)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 8:54am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/question-about-evidence-of-human-activity/14933/10 "2020-07-29T08:54:28Z")
If it helps, think of it like this… “What species is likely to have caused that airplane to be there?” in the same way as “What species is likely to have left that footprint in the sand?”. In the case of the former, it’s a pretty good bet it’s _Homo sapiens_ (the pilot!) A1 No. “Abiotic phenomena” would be things like coloured rocks where the colour is not due to a living organism. Or a cloud shaped like an elephant! A2 Yes. In the guide it lists both humans and “abiotic phenomena” as observations that are not encouraged, but acceptable in small numbers. As an example, I might make 100 observations of animals I saw on safari, but then I see a cloud that looks like an elephant, and I find it funny that I don’t have an observation of an elephant while I was on safari, so I make one of that cloud. 1 in 100 observations makes it sort of ok, but not to be encouraged to do so! Some people take the humour too far and make an ID of elephant, but the appropriate ID is _Homo sapiens_, because that is the only legitimate species involved in the observation (remember, every observation has a human involved, by default… “the observer”) A3 There is no abiotic category to put observations of “buildings, streets, vehicles” to, so they are always put as _Homo sapiens_ because of the involvement of the observer (see A2). If there is a hawk sitting on top of the vehicle, then it can be put as the hawk for ID, but only if the observer doesn’t specifiy the subject of the observation to be the vehicle! The observers’ intention for subject is always honoured where possible. ---
**Author:** ![cmcheatle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/cmcheatle/32/37_2.png) [@cmcheatle](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/cmcheatle)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 12:59pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/question-about-evidence-of-human-activity/14933/11 "2020-07-29T12:59:59Z")
> [@jacek\_kurzawa](#): > > Thank You for response. GBIF - ok. Human - ok. But - for me - airplane is airplane not “evidence of a human”. This is what the site defines as an observation ’ **An observation records an encounter with an individual organism at a particular time and location.** This includes encounters with signs of organisms like tracks, nests, or things that just died’ [https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/help#observations1](https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/help#observations1) This photo is not a raccoon, but it is acceptable evidence that a raccoon was present here [https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/40027215](https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/40027215) The simple reality is no ‘rule’ is going to stop evidence of, or even actual humans from being posted. People are going to do it. Unless they are illegal or offensive, in which case they are deleted, they need to be classified. Otherwise they stay in the pool of records needing identification permanently. Putting the human label hides them from all searches on the site, unless you specifically decide to search for them. Because so many users do it as they are learning the app or site, the site owners have decided to not make it a practice to delete the photos as that would be very demotivating to new users. People who abuse the system and post large numbers of this get warned to stop. If they dont stop after the warning, they get suspended. I know this, as a curator on the site I have done both. ---
**Author:** ![jwidness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9d8465/32.png) [@jwidness](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/jwidness)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 1:06pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/question-about-evidence-of-human-activity/14933/12 "2020-07-29T13:06:18Z")
I moved some posts to a new topic since they were straying from the discussion of the feature request. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/inaturalist/original/2X/7/7831452cf7f0d653ff1ffd34176334b7ef1b6a17.png) [@system](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2020, 1:06pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/question-about-evidence-of-human-activity/14933/13 "2020-09-27T13:06:24Z")
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