Here is something I’ve written on another topic, but something important: [image] CNC has a problem (and we need to fix it) I put the data together. Read it carefully and then understand what I mean. Unbelievable imbalance between identifiers and observers and just taking insects as an example. …

Всё просто. Виды различаются по простоте наблюдения и простоте определения. И очень весомую роль играет качество фото. На фото банально может не быть отражено диагностических признаков что делает определение невозможным по умолчанию. Плюс существует выраженный перекос в профессиональных идентификато…

This is partly true. Just because someone is a ‘nerd’ and has not published any papers does not imply that the person does not know much. Oftentimes, even “the common species” have several misidentifications, mostly due to CVM, and for other causes too.

Pull out your data/stats. Try using a different group. It is not specifically about insects. Also true is that people do not take interest in identifying insects. For one thing, there are so many, secondly many cannot even be identified from high res images because of several reasons, like the ones…

If you are not interested in this topic, pls. do not write things like this on it. That is your choice to do such data analysis.

[image] aaravmishra: Right now I am working on several guides at once I would love to see your leafhopper guides! Currently I rely too heavily on the generous IDing of @nomolosx and others.

[image] CNC has a problem (and we need to fix it) Total ID’ers: 499,937 Total ID’ers of insects: 231,533 As a percentage, you will get 46.3% Now observers: Total observers - 2,905,353 Observers of insects - 2,093,457 Same thing, but now 49.72% What sum gives you the 49.72% please?

Since many insects are not identifiable to species level (as pointed out by @nilshelstrom ), and an observation can only become RG at species level, many observations are actually ID’d but are not RG. So in the case of insects, the lack of a RG mark should not be synonymized with the lack of an ID. I…

[image] jorenvanschie: and an observation can only become RG at species level Sort of, but this can be mitigated by someone voting “No” for “Based on the evidence, can the Community Taxon be improved?” in the Data Quality Assessment if the Community Taxon is below family and above species. Fo…

The fact of the matter is that while both observing and identifying are voluntary, there’s a way higher bar to identifying of any sort - and the bar is much, much higher for a group like insects (speaking as a plant person but with some idea of the sorts of insect photo quality some people upload). …

There are certainly some inherent problems with the field markings of insects being more difficult to photograph, but I do think there is room for improvement even with the existing photo data. I think this is an interesting case where having a user-driven ID wiki could be very helpful. If an exper…

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jhbratton May 22, 2026, 3:34pm 11

What sum gives you the 49.72% please?

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Why are some taxa so under observed? Nature Talk question	46	2584	November 26, 2020
Needed: more people to help ID moths and other insects Nature Talk	40	4160	June 17, 2020
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Identify identifiers IDs General identify	126	3631	September 13, 2025
Why won’t anyone help identify my specimens I find? General	112	2235	June 19, 2026

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