# Some odd ID conflict issues **URL:** \ **Category:** Bug Reports\ **Created:** [April 15, 2023, 2:57am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/some-odd-id-conflict-issues/40895 "2023-04-15T02:57:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![blue\_lotus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/blue_lotus/32/6451_2.png) [@blue\_lotus](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/blue_lotus)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 2:57am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/some-odd-id-conflict-issues/40895/1 "2023-04-15T02:57:10Z")
**Platform** (Android, iOS, Website): Website **Browser** , if a website issue (Firefox, Chrome, etc) : Firefox, apparently Chrome also. I don’t think it’s related to browser. **URLs (aka web addresses) of any relevant observations or pages**: [https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/142469813](https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/142469813) Unfortunately, the post holding up this ID had to be deleted. Perhaps admins can still see its effects? **Description of problem** (please provide a set of steps we can use to replicate the issue, and make as many as you need.): Lately I’ve been seeing some odd ID issues where a previous ID I proposed would be withdrawn as normal when I pinned an observation down to a more certain ID, but it would still register as a conflicting ID until I deleted the post entirely, oddly, even if the ID was of a higher taxon that _included_ the newer ID. This just happened with the sole Ute insulagemmae observation so far ID’d on the site. It would not register it as U. insulagemmae on that species page until I deleted my old auto-withdrawn Sycon ID entirely. But the very second I did, it showed up. Before this I got a weird maverick label for an ID that was a member of higher taxa (there weren’t even enough IDs to qualify as a maverick, if I remember right) and the maverick label wouldn’t go away until I deleted my withdrawn ID. As a side note, Bouteloua closed the thread about the Ctrl + left click issue before I could mention that it’s still happening. ---
**Author:** ![machi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/machi/32/3898_2.png) [@machi](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/machi)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/some-odd-id-conflict-issues/40895/2 "2023-04-15T17:29:42Z")
I’m seeing it say “blue\_lotus disagrees this is Genus Sycon Hairy Tube Sponges,” but I see that there is no ID of genus Sycon still there. Definitely looks like a bug to me too! ---
**Author:** ![blue\_lotus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/blue_lotus/32/6451_2.png) [@blue\_lotus](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/blue_lotus)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 5:36pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/some-odd-id-conflict-issues/40895/3 "2023-04-15T17:36:22Z")
I deleted the ID of “Sycon”, but yeah, the “disagreement” is still there. ---
**Author:** ![pisum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/91b2a8/32.png) [@pisum](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/pisum)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 10:51pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/some-odd-id-conflict-issues/40895/4 "2023-04-15T22:51:43Z")
> [@blue\_lotus](#): > > Before this I got a weird maverick label for an ID that was a member of higher taxa (there weren’t even enough IDs to qualify as a maverick, if I remember right) and the maverick label wouldn’t go away until I deleted my withdrawn ID. it might be a little clearer if you capture screenshots of each step of the process: 1. delete your current ID. (don’t worry. you’ll add it back later.) 2. take a screenshot. 3. add a Sycon ID. 4. take a screenshot. 5. add the Ute insulagemmae ID. 6. take a screenshot. 7. delete your Sycon ID. (at this point, you should be back in the same boat as before.) 8. take a screenshot. 9. add the screenshots you took to this discussion. > [@blue\_lotus](#): > > I deleted the ID of “Sycon”, but yeah, the “disagreement” is still there. it doesn’t really matter that the disagreement indicator is here though, does it? it’s not really affecting anything. ---
**Author:** ![machi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/machi/32/3898_2.png) [@machi](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/machi)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2023, 5:39am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/some-odd-id-conflict-issues/40895/6 "2023-04-16T05:39:26Z")
You’re right; the disagreement indicator doesn’t affect anything because that always shows up if you leave a disagreeing ID and the person who you are disagreeing with deletes the ID in question… but it is weird that it said it was a disagreement at all. Maybe the taxon wasn’t set up properly for that species? ---
**Author:** ![pisum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/91b2a8/32.png) [@pisum](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/pisum)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2023, 3:32pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/some-odd-id-conflict-issues/40895/7 "2023-04-16T15:32:54Z")
it’s a disagreement because your latest ID is different than the previous observation taxon. ---
**Author:** ![blue\_lotus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/blue_lotus/32/6451_2.png) [@blue\_lotus](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/blue_lotus)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2023, 6:38am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/some-odd-id-conflict-issues/40895/8 "2023-07-07T06:38:49Z")
I’m pretty sure it didn’t used to do this. I’m seeing it happen more frequently too. Now what is going on here? [https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/130483070](https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/130483070) ![wat](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/inaturalist/original/3X/c/2/c247230b5da42b3902a89b7e6471c23e6ca0ed6f.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![jwidness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9d8465/32.png) [@jwidness](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/jwidness)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2023, 12:35pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/some-odd-id-conflict-issues/40895/9 "2023-07-07T12:35:22Z")
There must have been an ID of Scleractinia that has since been deleted. At the time Life was added, the identifier disagreed with Scleractinia, and since this is a branch disagreement (more details in the Disagreements section [here](https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/getting+started#ident_caveat)), the system interprets that to mean the identifier doesn’t think it’s Scleractinia, nor is it anything on the branch from Life to Scleractinia. (I’m guessing this is probably not what the identifier intended, and a message to them would have a good chance of fixing the issue.) Since this ID disagrees with everything on that branch, Chelonaplysilla violacea doesn’t have a high enough score. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/inaturalist/original/3X/c/e/ce51a2844d81f3a285057202c2a41d9444573db0.png) ---
**Author:** ![blue\_lotus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/blue_lotus/32/6451_2.png) [@blue\_lotus](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/blue_lotus)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2023, 4:10pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/some-odd-id-conflict-issues/40895/10 "2023-07-07T16:10:16Z")
> There must have been an ID of Scleractinia that has since been deleted. Is this something only an admin can see? ---
**Author:** ![jwidness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9d8465/32.png) [@jwidness](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/jwidness)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/some-odd-id-conflict-issues/40895/11 "2023-07-07T17:04:49Z")
No, it’s because there’s a disagreement statement. The Scleractinia ID must have been there so the identifier could disagree with it. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/inaturalist/original/3X/e/8/e839be284ac50600d2c97cd8567004dea32f67ce.png) ---
**Author:** ![blue\_lotus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/blue_lotus/32/6451_2.png) [@blue\_lotus](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/blue_lotus)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/some-odd-id-conflict-issues/40895/12 "2023-07-07T19:42:21Z")
LOL I totally overlooked this. ---
**Author:** ![DianaStuder](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/dianastuder/32/43358_2.png) [@DianaStuder](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/DianaStuder)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2023, 8:59pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/some-odd-id-conflict-issues/40895/13 "2023-07-07T20:59:37Z")
and obviously **Life disagrees with all the things** , for the CID algorithm. Defies human logic. Your example should, for merely human identifiers, show as species and needs ID. The disagreement is dead, that ID has been deleted, but iNat refuses to let it lie down and die. The linked blog post is 4 years old. iNatters continue to struggle around this confuddlement. [https://www.inaturalist.org/blog/25514-clarifying-ancestor-disagreements](https://www.inaturalist.org/blog/25514-clarifying-ancestor-disagreements) ---
**Author:** ![blue\_lotus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/forum.inaturalist.org/blue_lotus/32/6451_2.png) [@blue\_lotus](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/blue_lotus)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 11:56pm UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/some-odd-id-conflict-issues/40895/14 "2023-07-08T23:56:05Z")
Yeah the whole \>2/3 required to reach RG is a mess too. All it takes is one teenager with a camera and a friend both making an account, ID’ing something absurdly wrong, then it takes FIVE experts to undo this. ---
**Author:** ![jwidness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9d8465/32.png) [@jwidness](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/jwidness)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2023, 12:17am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/some-odd-id-conflict-issues/40895/15 "2023-07-09T00:17:42Z")
There isn’t enough information here to tell whether there is a bug, and if so, what it might be, so I’m going to close this report. If you find something suspicious later, you can message the moderators to reopen it. ---
**Author:** ![jwidness](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9d8465/32.png) [@jwidness](https://forum.inaturalist.org/u/jwidness)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2023, 12:17am UTC](https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/some-odd-id-conflict-issues/40895/16 "2023-07-09T00:17:46Z")