Apparently i look suspicios while making observation

The stories I was referring to are stories of “naturalists” eager to bag the last specimens of an endangered species for their museums to taxidermy and display. Some species were driven to extinction by that behavior. It’s not likely to happen nowadays, but I feel we need to be aware of that behavior in the same way that I feel that white people like me need to be aware of atrocities committed in my country (and perhaps even by my ancestors) against minorities. I am a hobby naturalist and don’t intend to collect specimens of arthropods.

And, yes, I agree with you that killing of specimens should be discussed and done with caution and only after asking oneself if it is really necessary. I will leave those discussions to those of you who study things that can’t be IDed by a photo. I decline to pursue the study of things that can’t be IDed by a photo. That’s my choice. Other people may make other choices. That’s none of my business.

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Just a reminder to keep the thread on its original topic of looking suspicious while iNatting. The ethics of collecting are definitely interesting, but if an in depth discussion is needed this should be another topic (or re-opened topic)…thanks!

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I I think I only had curious people, of what I am doing or with interest about, what I found. - And some worried ones, if everything is okay… if I lost something…

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You can always make a suggestion, but it likely would not get fulfilled.

this is all handled by iNat’s vendor, so it’s only the merch that vendor offers .

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I’ve found in rural areas that “Can I help you?” is both a sincere offer to help and a polite way to say, “What the hell are you doing here?!?”

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I’ve started being a bit careful around town. Small plants require lying down and, as an older woman, this is terrifying to passersby. One person mentioned recognizing my truck as the one that stops along roads so I can take flower pictures.
The rural comment is very true. I live out and I do stop to ask when I find someone I don’t recognize along the road. A variety of people come by to dump trash, animals or steal.

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Luckily I’ve had no aggressive people come up to me but I find it really annoying when I’m lifting up a rock to find stuff and someone is just staring at me. I used to go to a local park all the time during quarantine to catch crawfish and I’ve had people just stare at me in the creek lifting up rocks and give me weird looks. If you’re curious about what I’m doing it’s fine but if you just keep looking at me wondering what I’m doing, even though you can just come up and ask, makes it very awkward and it’s really annoying. So I just decided to bring a net every time I went crawfish hunting, even though I really don’t even use it, and everyone figured out I was trying to catch critters and I stopped getting weird looks. I’ve had a lot of good encounters though. I’ve had people who were genuinely interested in what I’m doing ask me about the crawfish and why I’m catching them. I’ve had families ask me to show what I caught to their kids who were fascinated by my catch. Whenever I don’t make it obvious what I’m doing and want to lift up rocks, on land or in the water, I always look around and make sure there isn’t anyone so I don’t get stared at lol. Overall, I’ve had a lot of awkward experiences when I don’t make it obvious what I’m doing but nothing too crazy.

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I am a teenager so it does not look suspicious instead people just assume I am playing or something. However one time a kid a few years younger than me asked what I was doing out of curiosity and we became friends and now we go observing together. One time the lady working at the cafe in the public pool at our apartment complex in Istanbul said to one of the construction workers that I had ‘jumped over the wall’ I had not jumped over the wall but I leaned over to try and take a photo of P. siculus. The worker said to me kindly but sternly to not not do that again I was very confused and didnt understand what he meant until I realised then I had to explain what I was doing. I understand his concern because there was rubble and other dangerous construction material with rusted rebars poking out behind the wall so it would have been very dangerous if I had actually jumped over the wall. Istanbul is a very hilly city and there are lots of ‘stair streets’ ‘merdiven sokaklari’ and our apartment complex has one of those and the sides of the stairs are very vegetated and I would always see A. kitaibelii I have made 40 something observations of the skink in that area so I would always go there is spring and early summer to spot some however people would often give me suspicious looks while I look for skinks on the stairs.

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I am developing a project where I hope to recruit volunteers to make aquatic macroinvertebrate observations. I am seriously considering making up business cards for the volunteers to hand out to those who range from curious to downright intimidating. The business cards would have the project url, organizational contact info and a short description. i.e. what the volunteers are doing.

Based on this thread, I will also encourage the US volunteers to wear the fluorescent vests since that signals “worker”. Or they can buy the iNat gold tshirt. While not fluorescent, it’s pretty darn bright.

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Being approached by officers of the law, other persons of authority (rangers, military, guards come to mind) or just members of the general public is indeed commonplace when out observing. Latest such encounters were in Turkey a couple of weeks ago where we were accosted by police officers (politely asked to leave, no reason given, can’t think of any good ones, but then again, lack of a common language provided a challenge to communication), guard (I think) (same evening, different spot, politely asked to leave, seems we had inadvertently wandered into an area that was closed to the public at night (we had seen the sign, hadn’t bothered to get it translated, thought it was just the road that was closed to traffic)), and rangers (four days after, pics and Google translate resolved the situation, they moved on, asked us to enjoy the evening, and we continued about our business).

Sometimes I am met with friendly curiosity, other times with suspicion, but either way, people tend to be civil and polite. In particular, in respect to persons in an official position of authority I have never known this not to be the case. The above encounters were quite typical. Being asked to move on for no obvious good reason as in the case with the police above is annoying, of course,
but it doesn’t happen often and I have never found the need to push the issue. Simply complying makes life easier, not least when faced with linguistic obstacles.

Most of these encounters actually end up positive or at worst just neutral experiences. Every now and then they will even end up producing a tip or two with information for further searches, often useless, yet in the best of cases useful (this can usually rather easily be gauged with a reasonably degree of confidence). One particularly fortunate such case happened one afternoon in a desert valley in south eastern Morocco. Keeping an eye out for whatever might be active while scoping the surroundings for good habitat for our upcoming night time search for Roman’s saw-scaled viper, Echis leucogaster, we were approached by the farmer living in the house at the dead end of the dirt road where we were about to turn around. Thankfully, my friend’s French was better than mine. Turned out this guy was the first to have found this locally rare species in Morocco and he invited us back to search his garden in the evening. The following afternoon, btw, being approached by another farmer in another valley closer to the coast, resulted in us being invited in for a cup of tea. Friendly people :-)

I guess not carrying around a large camera, binoculars or similar means I am spared some of these encounters, yet subject to others I might not have been had presence of same gear made my behavior less puzzling, e.g. in the case where the poor lady expressed concern as I was walking around by the railroad tracks, clearly fearing I was suicidal.

The most uncomfortable (though in retrospect mostly amusing) such encounter that jumps to mind was one late evening in a somewhat remote area in northern Spain. Seemingly all of the villagers’ multitude of dogs caged in their streamside backyards took offense at our walking a public path on the opposite bank searching for salamanders and their loud barking brought just about everyone out into the street. Less than pleased with our presence, explaining ourselves in rudimentary Spanish and through photographs did little to calm the angry mob, but at least eventually they seemed satisfied we were just harmless idiots and let us on our way without any real harm done.

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Yes, the role I often aim for out in the world! Or at least the one I succeed in projecting.

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I was told this by a biologist colleague working in Latin America. He and students were stopped in their vehicle at a military checkpoint in a country I can’t recall and my colleague was acting as translator/negotiator. The armed soldier was asking what they were up to and one of the students, who was nervous, suddenly whipped his big telephoto camera into view and said they were birding. Apparently my colleague freaked out a little. Sudden movements around armed individuals with something gun-like in your hands is not a good idea.

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but on iNaturalist you have the opposite reputation of an “idiot” :)

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Re. armed soldiers…

Mount Hermon lies at the extreme north eastern corner of Israeli controlled territory, on the border with Lebanon as well as Syria. The best habitat for the Lebanon viper is in the valley north of the ski lift, literally the last few hundred meters before the (unmarked) border. Of course there is plenty of military presence and the area is in general not open to the public. Albeit, being a herper, of course one doesn’t take the path of the general public, so the first time I was there I crossed the road at the top nowhere near the skilift, hence I never saw the sign. After exploring the area for an hour or so, I made my way back up to the road, thinking I’d follow it back down when I suddenly noticed some more eminently flipable looking military scrap in the valley I’d missed while down there. I was right next to a guard post when I noticed this little potential herping heaven and walked down to check it. Immediately a heavily armed young Israeli soldier politely and calmly called out to me, informing me that the area was off limits. I of course acknowledged this, gave up on my undertaking and continued on down the road without informing him that I’d spent the past hour down there.

Pic is from a subsequent revisit.

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Ha ha! Pierce Brosnan!

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He’s a serious environmentalist, so I’m not at all surprised to hear that.

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Yes - @GothHobbit, I’m happy to say that he had drought-friendly California native plants in the yard.
It’s probably a reasonable guess to say that naturalists might look less suspicious to people who have an environmental mindset. Or at least our behaviors seem more readily acceptable when we explain them. I’d go out on a limb on that!

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Hanging out in trees can look suspicious too.

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Another advantage of the superzoom bridge cameras. Retracted, they don’t ‘look’ much like a birding camera—or a firearm! (At least, my Nikon P950 doesn’t.)

Likewise with the little Olympus TG models for macro photography. Most people think they’re just another cheap little point and shoot. (Which I think also makes them more theft proof.)

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You mean how you need to wait for ages until it fully zooms in, so you either need to hold it on all the time and it quickly runs out of battery or you just miss any bird that doesn’t sit still for 5 mins? Rather look suspicious than deal with those problems.