Changing common names - common flesh fly

Here are some common names that should be changed: Hydnum umbilicatum - Depressed Hedgehog. It is true that the cap is described as “depressed,” but a much better common name would be the Bellybutton Hedgehog. Another name than needs changing is for the genus Astraeus. Its current common name is Barometer Earthstars. None of the Astraeus species that I know respond to changes in air pressure. They are all hygroscopic, responding to changes in moisture.

I appreciate the discussion, even if we disagree. :)

I want to clarify that this is NOT an American versus European thing at all - if all species of Sarcophaga were only found in the US, I would still want to get rid of this common name (but I won’t).

There are of course codified rules for nomenclatural stabiity in scientific names (which change regularly anyway), but I am not aware of rules for stability in common names. I don’t see the need to endlessly propagate misleading or hopelessly vague common names for the sake of stability. The scientific literature would certainly NOT be affected by changes in the common name at iNat (or anywhere else) and I seriously doubt anyone actually interested in this family would be confused at all - they just use the scientific names anyway.

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As someone who has actively added quite a few common names to iNaturalist, I feel like I may have decent insight here.

While I agree that this policy should and generally is maintained, I am not sure how strict it is suppose to be. I have seen this rule broken sparingly, including by site staff (an example with a certain species of pill louse comes to mind). But these were limited situations where a species lacked any established common name whereas its congeners all did, or a Taxon Split was committed on a highly recognizable species originally known under a single, well-known name (e.g. “Hercules Beetle”, “Raccoon Dog”, “Sea Pork”, “Common Cuttlefish”, or “Jack-o’-lantern Mushroom”) and to give none of the output taxa names would lead to a lot of mis-identification and confusion.

But these were not situations where a species with a legitimate preexisting common name like “Common Flesh Fly” for Sarcophaga carnaria had their names deleted or modified just because it made curatorial duties more difficult. There is a similar policy in place that addresses a situation like this.

Please don’t add information to a name in addition to the name itself, e.g. “grumblefoots (this genus is monotypic, just ID to species!).”

To redub this species’ default name as “Common European Flesh Fly” or remove it entirely is a modification made just for clarification and goes against this policy.

I completely agree. Names should not be removed or modified just to make identifications easier. It is not our place to police what other people call organisms.

Almost every observation initially attributed to the physically distinctive and nocturnal Octopus briareus is incorrect because the user saw it while they were visiting a Caribbean reef and this animal is called the “Caribbean Reef Octopus”. A potential soluton would be to re-dub it the “Caribbean Night Octopus”, but it is not my place to do so.

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I don’t really see what the problem is. We have scientific names to make exact distinctions between species.

You claim people pick the wrong species because the common name confuses them.
If that happens it means they are not aware of the significance of scientific names and that probably means they are unaware of all the possible species that could match their observation.
Also, people who pick an ID because “it is a safe bet” probably haven’t consulted a field guide or an appropriate key.
Hence the wrong ID is caused by a lack of knowledge or inexperience. The common name as such doesn’t have anything to do with it.

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This links to comments raised elsewhere about limiting or flagging species level ID
https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/warning-banner-on-ids-for-taxa-that-cant-be-ided-using-photos/11119/19

I hope this is addressed at some point, for invertebrates at least, I agree that ideally species level ID where very difficult or not possible without microscopy should be flagged…and/or at least limited in CV suggestions. The CV suggestions seem often misleading to new users.

In any case I would also love to be reminded of the key details I need to capture for splitting certain invertebrates. I struggle to remember everything …and its frustrating to dig out sources each time.

Ophrys reminded me today of the key difference for S.stercoraria - look for black palps.
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/41799714
I think he might well have told me this before…

Why make it that he or others have to remind people over and over again of a piece of information like that… when it could be automated? If flagged once, could it not simply be flagged on all new Scathophaga as a notification? ( the notification itself could be crowdsourced / open for others to edit and source like a wiki) …

Use of geospatial data for CV also mentioned here as something being worked on which would help with your issue:-
https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/inaturalist-2019-team-retreat-follow-up/373

So how does one delete a common name on iNaturalist without replacing it with something else? There are quite a few bogus common names for leaf-mining insects on iNat, which I have not encountered anywhere else, and which have led to all kinds of absurdly wrong IDs. For example, someone gave Sumitrosis rosea the common name “leafminer beetle,” which is not at all helpful when there are over 200 species of leaf-mining beetles in North America alone. As a result there were all sorts of random pictures of leaf mines being identified as this species, most of which weren’t even made by beetles. I tried deleting the name but the system insisted that I replace it with something, so I typed in “one of many leaf-mining beetles,” which stuck for a while. I see that the species now has no common name, so clearly it is possible to simply delete a common name, but I haven’t figured out how to do it.

Only a curator or the person who added it (regardless of their being a curator or not) may do so. The ability of all users to edit common names was removed due to unfortunately high levels of edit wars going on…

If you dont fall into one of those 2 buckets, then you can only flag it for review. If you are a curator, then should not be getting prompted about replacing it, that is not required, unless you are somehow trying to edit scientific names that are set as active.

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I am a curator, and was a curator when I had this problem.

I think we were typing at the same time. Most likely while a common name it was entered as a scientific name as the lexicon. If that is done, you need to edit it to set as inactive first, save it, then go into delete it. If entered under any language, you should not be getting a note saying a replacement is neeed, as common names are not mandatory data.

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Thanks–I’ll try that next time I have this problem.

I disagree with the interpretation of the curator guideline: Please don’t add information to a name in addition to the name itself, e.g. “grumblefoots (this genus is monotypic, just ID to species!).”

I consider it quite proper to add geographical disambiguation to a name, which is very different from a comment about the name or species. For instance the common name “peacock flounder” is applied to a pair of similar fish, one in the Atlantic and one in the Pacific. What we eventually did with this case was to leave that common name on both species, but to make the primary common names “Atlantic Peacock Flounder” and “Pacific Peacock Flounder”. These species have been well known for decades. In the case of recent splits, it is particularly valuable to do this. The guideline seems to be saying don’t name it “Peacock Flounder (the one with the eyes wide apart)”.

Along the same idea, you could leave the name “Common Flesh Fly” on Sarcophaga carnaria but make its primary common name something much more specific. Though here is where you risk running into the rule not to make up names. Is there a specific one that this species is also known by? I don’t know this group to know what would make sense, but something like “European Striped Flesh Fly”.

-Mark

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I mentioned in my previous comment that for Taxon Splits - especially for a well-known species thought to be monotypic with a well recognized common name - that name modifications for the output are necessary and fine.

I would have handled the Peacock Flounder split the same way that you did. However, I think this is a different situation because the taxonomic interpretation of this fly species had not changed so modifying its name seems unnecessary.

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Okay, here is an example of an absolutely made-up and useless common name–“aster leafminer” for Calycomyza humeralis: https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/715392-Calycomyza-humeralis
When you say “edit it to set as inactive,” how/where do I do that?

I was able to delete this name as below:
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Ah, okay! I had been trying by just deleting what is in the Name field and then clicking save. I’ll try this next time. Thanks!

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“Aster Leafminer” actually does appear to be a valid common name specific to Calycomyza humeralis sourced from what ITIS labels as “Stoetzel, 1933, database (version 1)”… but ITIS provides no link to this source and thus no means of double checking.

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The danish name is clearly wrong. S. canaria should be Almindelig Kødflue, meaning Common Meat Fly, and Kødflue should actually just be the name for the family/genus Sarcophagidae/Sarcophaga sp.

Then someone needs to contact the Danish Biodiversity Facility at DanBif as they list the species name as Kødflue.

Artsgruppe :Diptera (Tovinger)Videnskabeligt navn :Sarcophaga carnariaAutor :(Linnaeus, 1758)Dansk navn :Kødflue

Sorry does not paste well from the single page tech used all allearter.

Ok. I will get in touch with Thomas Pape who both works at the museum but also authered the book on on Sarcophagidae in the Fauna Entomologica Scandinavica series. He must know what to do.