You make a good point about how IDing CNC Unknowns is not a productive use of your time. I’m coming around to that idea myself, although I feel slightly guilty about it. Perhaps I should be thinking that, say, pushing observations to Research Grade (where appropriate, obviously) is definitely a good use of my time.
And I’ve been thinking about Arisaema myself - what key are you using?
Yeah, we can get pretty obsessive/compulsive about wanting to resolve that gargantuan pile of Needs ID, can’t we? The trick is finding a healthy and workable balance between that and “not my job/not my problem”.
As an amateur, it can be difficult for me to look at a key without experiencing MEGO (My Eyes Glaze Over). The Wikipedia page that the About tab on the Complex Arisaema triphyllum page links to includes a key for the four species in that complex that is pretty good. And I’ve recently found @trscavo’s Journal page, Jack-in-the-Pulpits in Vermont. That links to a Google Doc which is the most readable key (for the three of those species found in New England) that I’ve ever seen.
Incidentally, I’ve been bracing myself for feedback over some IDs I’ve been adding at the complex level, where the observer had entered a species level ID. After having that happen with a different species, I can now link to official explanations about the working of the CID and what is or isn’t an ancestor disagreement. But as it happened, the first comment I received last night was from someone who only IDed to the genus level and thought their ID was more accurate. OK, I can have a discussion about that, too!
It is not Friday, but my recent Cyprus trip makes me travel around the orchids of Cyprus and see what I can ID or correct while my memory of the decision points between species is still fresh…
I postponed my involvement in NewZealand/Australia spider lDing for a while and got sucked back into the US by some tags of a fellow IDer. We are now heavily working on cleaning up the lycosid backlog from different ends tagging each other and others like crazy and filling up this RG pile.
I got pretty good at the genus Tigrosa, with still about 30.000 needs ID waiting for me.. which of course only is a fraction of those 360.000 lycosids waiting in the US overall..
With my typical working speed, Tigrosas could keep me busy until the end of this year.. but probably I will get bored of them before cleaning them up completely
Interesting! Subfamily Latrodectinae is the area I’ve been currently working on and the taxonomy stuff is in crazy disarray. In the Mexico a bunch of the species can only be identified with specific features, but are massed identified as one species to such an extreme that one has all of the observations (practically) in the Mexico area and the other only has about 10! Even though they both have the same general range and features. I’m talking and working with other users and some new revisions and a field guide (I’ll update my profile with the full information as it comes in the coming days: https://www.inaturalist.org/people/3911628) will be coming out in late 2025 which should help the identification be less confusing, but because of the splits and swaps that are upcoming it might also result in more identifications that are RG and need to be fixed. Your situation was reminding me of that and I’m glad people are working around to help. I think maybe 2 or 3 people + myself are going to have re-work maybe 2-3 dozen observations? I’m not sure of what the exact amount is and what the revivisions will fix.
Yes, that is exactly what got me sucked back into the US.. venturing out to unkown areas is fun and all, but missed working as a team a bit.
Thanks for your work and amazing that a guide is coming up! I always plan to write at least a journal post about IDing the species I ID, but then I never do (I really should start)
I’ve written a journal post for NA identification plus I’ve made a guide for it, but for about a year I’ve said I’m going to make a journal post for everywhere and yet I still haven’t finished Central America! Haha, it is hard to focus with all the work to be done.
I really love the community of iNaturalist, but sometimes you have an experience on an observation with an other member that really drags you down and discourages you from identifying again, at least for a while. Seems today was such a day for me.
Dear nameless “expert”, you might disagree with my identification done in good faith, but you could phrase it in a nice way and not “tell me to go back to my corner if I have no clue and leave the research to the experts” (to paraphrase). Remember, there is another human at the end of your comment that can be hurt.
I’ll leave you to your “research” and think I’ll stay in my corner in the future doing annotations. At least there, I don’t have to deal with snarky comments after I already had a bad day.
I’ll keep trying to do my part for iNaturalist, since I think it is really needed to do what you can in identifying, but some interactions do show to me why beginner identifiers sometimes will give up and stop completely. Not all of us have a thick enough skin to deal with that.
So for my mental health, I’ll think I’ll pause IDing for a bit.
Sorry you had such a painful interaction with another identifier. That kind of response is unacceptable. Feel free to report the interaction to the help desk.
Thank you for your kind words.
The comment was not such that it went over the line towards abuse, but more of a personal hurt, so I chose not to report or react.
I’m trying to keep to the good-faith-assumption and that it was not that harshly meant, but I’m choosing to disengage dealing with this person in future.
iNaturalist is big enough that we do not have to engage again, at least from my side.