The Computer Vision has made impressive progress in learning to identify leaf mines since I started identifying them on iNat a few years ago. But lately I’ve noticed that it’s been going a bit too far: observations of plants that happen to be hosts of commonly observed leafminers are getting identif…

Ah, thank you, I tried searching but didn’t see another post on this topic.

[image] fmiudo: I don’t know how the CV is penalized when it gets wrong I’m sure Staff can confirm, but I’m pretty sure it involves the CV’s parents expressing their profound disappointment and withholding dessert.

[image] ceiseman: Note that this is just a picture of Ilex opaca leaves, and the only CV suggestions are P. ilicicola and P. opacae. [image] ceiseman: The first two CV suggestions are leafminers that use Arctium as a host, and the next six are a random assortment of insects that aren’t as…

I think Thomas’ original point was that you only see insect suggestions because there is already an ID of the insect. If you started with no ID you would probably get plant suggestions. I actually do get plant suggestions even with the insect ID: [Screenshot_20240815-091511]

Another reason I personally believe someone should be creating common names for many of these taxa.

[image] ceiseman: Okay, I just looked at the most recent Phytomyza ilicicola observations and see that this one is a CV suggestion, uploaded using the iPhone app: https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/235710307 So no particular reason to blame Seek. Note that this is just a picture of Ilex…

Yes, I forgot to apply that new knowledge here, sorry! It must still be the case, though, that the CV is initially giving the leafminer as the top suggestion, otherwise people would be choosing the plant. Strange that it’s giving different suggestions to different people–or else different suggestio…

[image] ceiseman: maybe mostly using the Seek app? I’ve never used that, but am I right in thinking that it automatically selects the CV’s top suggestion and posts the observation with that as the ID Seek has a “only show plants” and “only show non-plants” toggle. I don’t know how often it is…

So far people’s attempts to do that have mosty resulted in confusion and misidentifications. Names like “aspen leafminer” don’t work because any given plant typically has numerous leafminers that feed on it. “Locust digitate leafminer moth” is a rare example of one that is actually useful. In any ca…

If the observer started by telling us if they want to ID the bee / leafminer or the host - that would avoid the kingdom confusion. Then better onboarding to deter newbies from, iNat says it is This so I will agree. No idea what This is … Fighting up the leaderboards is not a target. If you want to…

Leafminers have broken the CV

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ceiseman August 15, 2024, 1:37pm 18

Oh right, sorry.

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Leafminers have broken the CV

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