State of matter Life clean up

If the two identifiers had not put State of matter Life as an ID, this observation would remain State of matter Life (SomL) because of the conflicting Animal Kingdom and Plant Kingdom and the way the 2/3 weight works.

The image does appear to support the finer identification of Western Pond Turtle but does support the identification of Poales. I have agreed and the observation is no longer SomL - I adjusted it to 3/4.

There is evidence of life, just not a turtle.

In this case, I mean the observer said it was a turtle and there is no evidence of a turtle.

But I would also like a DQA box for cases where there is more than one possibility of a subject but the observer didn’t specify, instead of the way it is now where people add IDs for different organisms.

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Even worse, the observer can be inconsistent with his own specification:
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/192069

The observer put “Host: lettuce” as a description. (Meaning he does not focus on the lettuce).
Later, someone else + the observer put an ID about the lettuce. (Inconsistent with the initial description).
Later someone else focused on a fungi parasiting the host plant. (Consistent).
And now we are left with “State of matter Life”.

In this case, the solution is to ask the identifiers to remove their lettuce ID?

Update: I was wrong, see below.

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It is consistent to be able to ID something State of matter Life if an Observer submits an image with multiple Phyla but failed to Identify the focus of the image and left it Unknown. This could occur in an image taken in the littoral zone of the seashore or at a densely vegetated well attended watering hole.

However, my preference would be to either contact the Observer to ask for refinement of the observation or failing that, select the most obvious. Putting the observation as State of matter Life, to me, relegates the observation to the back as discussed here https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/state-of-matter-life-limbo/2870

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This observation is State of matter Life because of conflicting Kingdoms - Chromista (the water mold Bremia lactucae ) vs Fungi (Fungi Including Lichens).

I think this is still an exploration of what organism is “infecting” the lettuce. Currently it would seem both identifications are valid. Time will tell which ID becomes correct. Unfortunately it is quite possible that those filtering for Chromista and/or Fungi will not see this unless they are also scouring State of matter Life.

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Just a little graph to show comparisons visually. Apologies if I have broken statistical/presentational cardinal rules:

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Thanks for clarifying!

In such a case, I can’t help identifying (not knowledgeable). But someone understanding that this is still an exploration, could flag with a “Conflicting Kingdoms” DQA, so that all experts in search for Chromista or Fungi observations would find it? The flag would be automatically cleared once the community taxon goes below a reasonable level.

(I’m always in search for ways to automate/assist the processes, I believe it could speed up things, and as a consequence reduce the volume of the pool).

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When I’m looking at Unknowns, I try to consider the value of each observation. If it’s a clear, detailed photo of something that seems remarkable for some reason, I will go ahead and add “Life,” just to get it in the smaller pool. But if it’s a photo of multiple organisms at a distance and none of them seem either unusual or detailed enough to get to much of a refined ID, I usually just leave it, simply because I think having too much in State of Matter Life would discourage experts from browsing through there very much.

I think it would be great if taxon search feature results could include observations in State of Matter Life with IDs of that taxon.

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Going through the numbers again to see changes in observations in State of matter Life
There are three numbers in brackets: the first is the number of observations including that taxon that are in State of matter Life from the original post as of May 23, 2019 ; the second is as of December 12, 2019; the third is as of January 29, 2020. Considering that many new observations are being added all the time, it appears that there is lots of work being done to move these observations further up the tree of life.

Fungi and Lichens (2,598); (1,179); (1,106)
Slime Moulds (405); (234); (202)
Cyanobacteria (235); (243); (291)
Green Algae (559); (556); (535)
Red Algae (?); (745); (676)
Brown Algae (692); (756); (697)
Sac Fungi (955); (756); (410)
Animal (3,726); (1,528); (1,492)
Plant (5,351); (2,482); (2,330)

Many thanks to everyone.

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Going through the State of matter Life numbers again. There are three numbers in brackets: the first is the number of observations including that taxon that are in State of matter Life from the original post as of May 23, 2019 ; the second is as of December 12, 2019; the third is as of April 8, 2020.
Fungi and Lichens (2,598); (1,179); (1,302)
Slime Moulds (405); (234); (238)
Cyanobacteria (235); (243); (333)
Green Algae (559); (556); (588)
Red Algae (?); (745); (655)
Brown Algae (692); (756); (690)
Sac Fungi (955); (756); (462)
Animal (3,726); (1,528); (1,595)
Plant (5,351); (2,482); (2,551)
I have copied the links having at least one suggested ID of the listed taxon from the start of this thread just so those that are familiar with the topic do not need to go back and forth. You may want to check the Place setting in your identification page filter to see if it is limiting the breadth of you efforts in case you wish a broader reach with this topic.

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7 posts were merged into an existing topic: Should the Curator Guide be updated in regards to obvious wrong IDs on observations of humans?

Just doing a little FYI catchup on numbers. I have included the taxon id after the taxon. There are four numbers in brackets: the first is the number of observations including that taxon that are in State of matter Life from the original post as of May 23, 2019 ; the second is as of December 12, 2019; the third is as of April 8, 2020; the fourth is as of June 28, 2020

Fungi and Lichens - 47170: (2,598); (1,179); (1,302); (2,074)
Slime Moulds - 47684: (405); (234); (238); (540)
Cyanobacteria - 67334: (235); (243); (333); (370)
Green Algae - 50863: (559); (556); (588); (647)
Red Algae - 57774: (?); (745); (655); (715)
Brown Algae - 48220: (692); (756); (690); (805)
Sac Fungi - 48259: (955); (756); (462); (668)
Animal - 1: (3,726); (1,528); (1,595); (2,159)
Plant - 47126: (5,351); (2,482); (2,551); (3,374)
Not sure if the (non?) City Nature Challenge this year would have impacted the uptick.

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