The Joros are coming, the Joros are coming!

First, a fascinating use of iNat to show the spread of this species around you. Well done!.
Second, our bush garden near Brisbane, Queensland, Australia used to have quite a few of our native Trichonephila plumipes. Then a family of Grey Butcherbirds moved in and now we have none. So, it is possible that one of your native birds might develop a taste for them and reduce the problem.


Seconded, great use of iNat to show the species spread over time!


Wow! I gotta say the resignation of the scientists to the presence of these arachnids is unsettling. What if they wind up being the nail in the Monarch butterfly’s coffin? It would be something to re-create corridors and waystations of habitat to guide this threatened species on its way back from the brink of extinction (or maybe the brink of the brink) only to have a gigantic Asian spider capture every last one of them once it reaches the flyway. I realize they catch a lot of pests—but it sounds like they might even be big enough to take out a hummingbird! I don’t mean to be an alarmist, but, good grief, shouldn’t these concerns be at least in the back of the scientists’ minds? Rather than tell us to get used to these spiders, shouldn’t they be marshaling interest in studying them more—and right away?

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Most of the articles I’ve read state that based on surveys since their introduction, there’s no indication that the Joro spiders are having a negative effect on native species, and in fact could curtail the population of the brown marmorated stink bug, another invasive species. Hopefully it stays that way!


Do the spotted lanternfly next! That invasion is also well within the temporal scope of iNat and you can watch exponential growth in real time!


What a great way to use iNat data! It made me curious about some of our invasives. E.g. our local Native Plant Society group has been working on controlling a patch of mile-a-minute weed (Persicaria perfoliata) since we first noticed it in 2017. It is listed as a class A noxious weed in North Carolina. I was curious what that plant is doing and it looks like it is set to make its move further south and west. “Our” patch is the little green circle. 2021 data is incomplete with observations coming in pretty much daily at this time of year due to the showy berries.


Thanks for sharing, cool to see the series of maps laid out like that.

The timeline is interesting to me and time lag from first record to first scientific paper to first iNat observation. Oct 2014 first record → Feb 2015 paper → Oct 2016 iNat obs. Given how many more people are making iNat observations now compared to 2014, I wonder what the expected time lag would be for a newly introduced/discovered invasive species now if it were as conspicuous as the Joro spider.

For comparison, in 2014, only 65 people made an in iNat observation in Georgia. In 2020, 14,309 people did. iNat observer effort in the moment is way way up.

h/t @jakob for linking the 2015 paper on the 2016 iNat obs


Yes, I thought about how more people are using iNat now vs previous years, and how that affects observation count, but didn’t realize the difference was that great. Good point.

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One way to get a rough sense of the extent of the change that is due to the increasing number of observers would be to do a similar time series for all similar observations—for example, how many observations of arachnids were there each year? You might compare to all insects (I know; not the same Class, but it’s just a proxy for how many people are out looking and would have been likely to record this observation), too. Somewhere in the various filters for taxon, location, and so forth is likely to be a sweet spot that gives a representation of changing activity of naturalists in the areas where these spiders are being observed.

For example, what if the early iNaturalists included a few dozen folks in the area between Anderson and Greenville, SC? Looking at various displays of observations, we could figure out if in 2015–2019 they even visited the locations where someone found Jory spiders in 2021 and, if they did visit those areas, whether they were making the kind of observations that would indicate that they probably would have recorded this species if they had seen it.

Perhaps the best comparison, if it gave enough data points, would be observations of orb weavers. But we could also see things like, even though people didn’t observe many orb weavers, they were in the area observing butterflies and cicadas and other species that make you think that they would have recorded this striking spider if they had seen it. Or we could see that although starting in 2014 the area had the highest density of iNaturalist observations in the state, until 2021 nobody was recording anything but conifers in that area. (And, yes, I am making all of this up just to illustrate the point.)

Without doing more than a few series, we could get a pretty good sense of whether that patch in South Carolina is due to the first spiders moving in or the first iNaturalists showing up to see them.


@conboy would love that!

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I did one for spotted lantern fly








2021 [incomplete data]

I also made a graph of the counts per year. Note the log scale.
Number of iNat observation of SLF each year (non cumulative)


Ever see the movie, “Arachnophobia”?

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It’ll be interesting to see if birds try to prey on these spiders. These spiders have sticky 3-D webs, The webs have been documented to trap hummingbirds in at least two instances; fortunately, the birds were rescued. It’s going to take a bigger bird to want to mess with that web.

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Definitely did!

Super cool, thanks for sharing!

I remember the very first SLF sightings in NJ which I saw on iNat. Now, two years later, we get dozens reported each day.
And this year I’ve seen a few new species of plant in NJ that are invasive in other parts of the US. I advised local authorities, but I expect them to establish themselves within a few years regardless. Sigh.

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I live just north of Atlanta. I first observed one of these spiders a few months ago in the Kennesaw Mountain Battlefield, at first convinced it was a native Trichonephila clavipes, then surprised when frequent identifier of mine @pucak confirmed it was a “Joro spider.” Now it seems I’m seeing and hearing about them all the time!


Spinning off a couple of comments, including one of mine here, some observations could be used to document the travels of iNaturalists. I’m thinking of giant reed (Arundo donax), particularly because of a conversation I had some time ago about the observations recorded in the Texas Invasives database.

“Why is the Arundo only along the highways?” I was asked.

I answered, “It isn’t. The people observing it are.”

And for populations that are fairly constant—the giant reed is, of course, popping up in new sites, but its pattern in much of its current range is pretty much as it was 10 or 20 years ago—each new observation would tell us more about the expanding reach of iNat than about any expansion of the range of that plant.

Of course, mapping all observations would do the same, but that map would quickly become a red mass, whereas observations of a single species would take more time to blot out the background, perhaps giving us a visual representation of growth over a greater period of time.

It would have no precise statistical value; still, it would produce a nice animation.


WSJ article on Joros spread

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just for grins, i translated the Joro observation time series maps into a short video: this is similar to some of the visualizations discussed in:

there was also an earlier visualization of the spread of SLF using the iNaturalist “experimental compare tool”: i thought visualizing time series data was a clever application of that tool.

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