This conversation is pointless. No matter how many examples I give, or how much I try to explain why invasive species are a problem, you just refuse to listen. You’ve clearly decided to just ignore any information that doesn’t fit with your preconceived ideas. You don’t even believe in the terms, as proven by your constant use of quotation marks around native and invasive, as if they are just opinions rather than facts. If you won’t believe everyone here, just google invasive species and read some of the hundreds of articles you’ll find. That’s it for me though, I’m setting you to ignore and won’t be joining any more conversations.
They will if it’s like anything that I see with invasives. Just you wait.
He already waited. As he said:
A couple of peer-reviewed papers:
Coevolution between native and invasive plant competitors: implications for invasive species management
Evolutionary responses of native plant species to invasive plants: a review
It isn’t as simple as some here are making it out to be.
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I read the summary of both. It’s great that there is a possibility of non native coexisting, but I don’t think that justifies intentionally trying to introduce them.
It’s a very complicated subject, and I’m sure I’m showing my lack of knowledge in my responses. My way of thinking is the less you know, the simpler your actions must be. I know relatively little, so I will only take very simple, safe actions. I’ll only plant natives and remove non natives, while trying not to remove too much at once and reducing food supply for the little wildlife around me.
Someone with greater knowledge can experiment with more complicated stuff, like hybridization. I think it was you who provided the example of the chestnut(?) tree being hybridized with its Chinese cousin.
Honestly I’ve lost track between the two threads and all the similar comments. It’s like having the same conversation in two different group chats, all with slightly different replies.
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We’ll just have to agree to disagree. I’ve learned a lot from the conversation.
Exactly! I think the whole “Native” vs “Invasive” concept doesn’t make sense.
I think of “Native” as where the plant species originated from. Any other definition is confusing & inconsistent.
I think invasive is any plant that forms monocultures. That’s more objective/concrete than “Causing any Economic or Environmental Harm”.
@jasonhernandez interesting study, coevolution of “Native” & “Invasvie”.
I like diagrams, interesting to see interactions mapped out. Interesting how Higher Genetic Diversity means advantage goes to invader vs Low Genetic Diversity advantage goes to Native.
I think we can influence/facilitate Evolution towards the better.
I was wondering, what if I bred a Garlic Mustard that was less bitter? Both Me & Deer would certainly eat more of it. However on the flip side Deer Selective Pressure is too high & thus Garlic Mustard will revert back to bitter tasting to survive deer.
Garlic Mustard has competetive advantage due to high deer pressure, makes me wonder how the Native plants are responding? Are they tasting more bitter? Or Stinging Nettles getting more stingy?
Yes.
I you would like me to send you kernels of Eriobotrya japonica (Loquat), then please check the regulation for importing these seeds in your State and show me.
In S.E. France, in USDA Zone 10a, it blooms in winter and produces fruits in spring (observation).
But in N. France, in USDA Zone 8b, it grows well (observation) but never produces fruits.
Check your USDA Zone.
The only place in the U.S. that I have seen loquats is California. And even there, I never saw them in stores, but only in people’s yards or other cultivated locations.
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Yea… I think that would be too much trouble. Thank you for the offer tho.
That would make sense, Hopefully I can find someone growing loquats who could save seeds. It feels they would show up at an international Grocery Store.