Etiquette/Method for Finding Identifiers?

Is there an appropriate/approved method for finding/contacting potential expert identifiers? I’ve been on iNaturalist for two years now, and its become painfully obvious that my area lacks suitable experts in a number of areas, ranging from big (the fungi/lichen kingdom) to small (such as the oenothera/primrose genus).

Is there a list somewhere of seasoned identifiers (and the categories they’re best in) that I could reach out to? Or a way to flag observations for expert review? I don’t mind waiting, but I’ve got a lot of observations stuck at the genus level, and no way to tell if there’s something missing from my observations that I should include in future ones. Or if the quality is fine, and I just need to wait a bit longer.

I’ve tried signing up for relevant Projects . . .and that’s been rather hit-or-miss. So what’s the best way to actively find someone who can help with identifications?

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I usually look for the users listed in the “Top Identifiers” section that is visible when using the web client (not as easy in the mobile versions). For example if you know the genus or family, I would generally contact the top 2–3 users listed as top identifiers for the genus or family.

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… and ensure (by visiting their profile) that they accept being summoned.

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It’s perfectly acceptable to tag identifiers to look at your observations, but I’d caution you to use local identifiers, ones from your state, province, or region, not the top experts worldwide. I make lots of plant IDs for my region, but when people tag me in on an observation from the other side of the world (or even the other side of the continent), I don’t know enough to help out. Specifically, I don’t what else in that faraway land I might confuse with the plant in question and I don’t have the relevant references (field guides, manuals) to help me figure things out.

There are relatively few identifiers in general for lichens and fungi. I’m not at all a fungi expert, but my understanding is that, first, one may need chemical tests or microscopic examination to get a lichen/fungus to species, and second, the taxonomy of fungi is very much in flux right now. The best I can suggest is to read up (off iNat) on how to identify lichens and fungi and be sure to include those facts in your observations.

If I found your observations on iNat correctly, it looks like most of your observations are from West Virginia and Pennsylvania in the US. There should be lots of identifiers for that region, I would think? I know a little about the flora of that area, so I took a look at some of your recent records and some of your oldest. For the easy kind of plants that I can ID, your observations look fine.

The only other thing I can suggest is to make more IDs yourself (although you’ve made plenty!). I notice that sometimes when I’ve identified someone’s observations, that person will quickly ID some of mine. So maybe people make IDs as a way of saying thank you? I don’t make IDs that way, but I can see that people might.

Beyond that, I think all you can do is be patient - which is hard, I know! Good luck!

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  1. Help to ID. You can use the newer filters for Geomodel Anomalies or Disagreements. Look at the backlog from CNC 25 and tackle whatever you can help. Pick over your local Needs ID mountain. From those notifications you will learn who your active local identifiers are - and what they are interested in. Then you can @mention the ‘right’ person.
  2. If you approach from the taxon leaderboard - filter to your location. Go a bit broader (by taxon or location) if the list is short. If you recognise a name - go for it. If not - check - if they are still active - read their profile info ‘I only do Carex in the Poconos’ (invented example)
  3. Please @mention one person at a time. Wait a bit. Before you ask the next one.
  4. Everyone wants an ID now but 130 identifiers are not waving, but drowning.
  5. Thank you for crossing over to the 130 Side! It is endlessly fascinating to learn another slice, another corner, of biodiversity across the world.
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check out https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/how-to-get-identifications-for-your-observations/26429

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I definitely do that

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When someone IDs my stuck, maverick or unclear observations, I sometimes go through that user’s observations to see if there are any that got stuck without any reason or just because they needed a higher level of expertise than usual.

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Also, try to make friends! iNat has an option to subscribe to an user. You can find identifiers who are willing to help and ask them to subscribe to your profile. Then they would see your observations in their notification list and have a simple option to go ID them (see screenshot).

Or, sometimes if I have in mind to tag someone, I will first go through their observations and review as many as I can – then tag them.

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Fungi are definitely tough; I’m in the midwest, I’ll give a glance at your obs and see if there are any fungi that I can pick out, but as @lynnharper said, often times microscopic or chemical characteristics are needs to get fungi down to species level. Mushroomexpert.com is a decent starting point resource for our area though, if you want to give a crack at it yourself.

EDIT: Okay, I took a look, it looks like John Plischke has already gone through a lot of yours - if he can’t get it to species, I’m probably not going to be able to. He’s one of the better general fungi IDers in our region of the country.

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@bcs_mass Unfortunately one of the issues of Inat is that there is a 10:1 ratio of observers to identifiers. I barely have enough time to cover an area with 900K observations(I only ID plants for the most part). Keep in mind that many lesser known taxa may not have experts and there are a lot of generalist IDers on Inat.
Over half of my observations have not received an ID. If you tag @yayemaster I can help with most plant IDs, including Oenothera(if you are in the US).

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I’ve been trying my hand at some ID’s I hadn’t realised that so few are responsible for so much

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Considering the many dead or rejected identifier-friendly feature requests, I’d say the system is more supportive of observers than of identifiers. This is understandable, in a way.

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I haven’t had issues with getting IDs in Pennsylvania, but WV definitely has a lack of identifiers, particularly in certain categories. In my experience:

*Animals - particularly diurnal or “interesting” species - get IDed quickly.

*With plants, cultivated ones get IDed promptly, as do “true” woodland or field/meadow species. We’ve got one identifier for the wild ones who is particularly awesome (and prompt, too)

In between thosee two categories, we’re weak, though. Formerly domestic species that “jumped the flower bed” and went wild, for example, or opportunistic colonizers that take advantage of freshly cleared areas . . . Yeah, finding an identifier for many of those is hard (hence my primose problem).

*Fungi . . .well, if it’s edible, they do okay. The rest? Not so much.

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Thank you. I may take you up on that - but it will likely take a couple of days. A wave of family obligations is headed my way.

There are several ways to identify frequent identifiers but this is not the same as finding either local identifiers or expert ones. You really need to look at an identifier’s profile to know more about how they can help you: check what they say in the profile, check how many identifications they have made versus observations made, how long ago they joined, and especially look not only at how many identifications they have made of the same species or genus but also how many local observations they ID’d and the quality of those IDs.

Identifiers on iNaturalist are supposed to independently verify their IDs and not just rely on iNaturalist data. And they should explain their IDs if not also offer up their independent research sources. Sometimes, an ID will be fairly obvious and won’t require anything more than agreement. But often it can require external research and cross-referencing, sometimes a significant amount. Especially if the observation photos don’t provide enough detail and/or if the observer doesn’t add any notes providing additional information, which more often than not in my experience here observers don’t. For example, a key piece of information that is nearly always missing is specimen size. I say all this because the more info you can provide as an observer, especially a well-researched ID of your own on your own observation, the more likely it is that identifiers searching for observations to ID will not only see your observation but also be able to quickly determine their own ID for it, whether or not that matches your own. The longer it will take them to make an ID of their own, the less likely it is you will get their input.

Sometimes no matter how detailed the observer is, the observation will still be very difficult to ID with any certainty.

Each observation you make and submit will have its own page and that page will tell you who the top identifiers are for that taxon. You can click on each to learn more about them on their page before you message them. You can also go to the taxon’s page to see a top identifier there as well as the identifier leaderboard. Use the Explore option in the menu and the filters on that page to find that person’s own observations of that specific taxon (you will need to expand the More Filters to do this). You may want to filter to research grade only and observations with photos specifically.as well as input a place name. You can also use the Identify option in the top menu to access additional filters, including hiding private location observations. Additionally, on your observation’s page, you can zoom in on the map and it will show you the other observations of that taxon nearby. You have to zoom in pretty close to get the option to click on an observation (the hand pointer changes to a finger pointer) and when you do, the private location observations will have a solid marker and the ones that aren’t private will have a white dot in the center. Clicking with the finger pointer will open a popup that will tell you basic details of the observation, including whether or not it is research grade, and give you a view link that takes you to that observation’s page where you can see who ID’d it to get it to research grade, which may not be the person you started checking. In which case, you can click their links, check out their information and possibly reach out to them instead or in addition to the original identifier you looked at. And if all this doesn’t get you what you need, you can start a project page for the taxon you chose for your observation. Even if you’re only ever the only member of the project, this can still pull in specific other observations you can review if you want a better ID for your observation and/or if you want to find identifiers. The project will pull in everything you tell it to. For example, I currently have a project to help with the IDs of several area observations of a specific spider species. It is a pretty rare species in the area and there are only 18 observations currently, 9 of which still need to reach research grade. By creating a project, I have all 9 in one place to help me review all of them against the current research grade observations so I can hopefully help them reach research grade as well. That project of mine is open for others to join but mainly I set it up for my work. You could do something similar to aid you with getting your observations narrowed to a species and then to research grade. Projects also have pretty powerful filtering tools to aid you further in your process.

One other thing worth mentioning: iNaturalist has far more observations than identifications. You might help yourself get IDs for your observations if you make a lot of IDs yourself for others. It can help your profile and make others want to follow you. And if great identifiers are following you, chances are they will see your observations needing IDs sooner than they might otherwise, without you having to message them.

Hope this helps.

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And yet West Virginia has incredible flora in my limited (alas) experience! @merrimacga mentioned making IDs yourself - you already have about three times as many IDs as observations, so you are doing more than your share of those.

Something that has helped in New England and New York are a couple of ID-focused projects: an annual weekend plant identification marathon (for four years now) and a cooperative plant identifying project (just started this year; helps especially with observations where the observer doesn’t notice their notifications). Members of the New England Botanical Society and the New York Flora Association have helped considerably with both of those. So maybe start or find projects like those? Are there regional plant organizations that could help?

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But we did get 2 good identifier friendly improvements lately. Geomodel Anomalies and Disagreements. And a (small) improvement for Notifications.

Perhaps the tide is turning in our favour?

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For my observations, plants are the least verified category (65% RG). Many are common wildflowers - I don’t feel right bugging an expert for IDs for those. I don’t ID plants because I only know enough botany to be dangerous. Perhaps an expert could prepare lists of common plants for a local area that are unlikely to be confused with anything else? That would allow a generalist to clear the backlog for that species. Since iNat has deprecated the Lists feature, I suppose the list would have to be maintained by the local Native Plant Society chapter. What do you think?