Recruiting more identifiers

Rather than using Google, which can be overwhleming, not have proper ID’s and will likely be dominated by butterfles etc if you do that search, it may be better to learn how to use the iNat Explore page.

For example, this will show you the 500 most commonly reported insects in Malaysia, grouped by species:
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=7155&subview=table&taxon_id=47158&view=species

You can then filter it further, for instance if you know what you are looking at seems to be a dragonfly or damselfly, you can filter to that :
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=7155&subview=table&taxon_id=47792&view=species

Just playing around on that page and running different searches can tell you a lot about what is seen in an area.

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Nice point - I think this is an under-utilized feature of iNaturalist. On a recent trip to an area I wasn’t familiar with, I “explored” iNaturalist in that area for plants, birds, butterflies, dragonflies, etc (Explore - choose taxon - go to Species tab to see the most reported ones). This was a great help in pre-learning the things I was most likely to see.

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I understand now. I agree I mainly use my taxonomy knowledge to expedite looking things up. I’m a plant person, and I know little about insects; I think entomology has it harder than botany, since there are way more insects than plants, plus they don’t hold still! I started with anatomical and descriptive jargon. Plant part names, adjectives, etc, because plant family descriptions involve technical language.
Many books (especially bigger or older ones) do entirely written descriptions without pictures.

Maybe we are straying form the original topic now. Apologies.

I agree that improving identifications on the app would be nice. I ID from the app some using “explore” and “needs ID”, but unlike “Identify” on the web, it also shows all of the observations that are mine or that I have already added and ID to, so its harder to find things that I need to ID.

Being able to swipe between “needs ID” observations, similar to the left and right buttons in PC identification would be a great feature.

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So I think I’m precisely the type of person you’re talking about trying to recruit more of. Basically all I do here is id observations of taxa without many knowledgeable people. What prompted me to join was how bad or in need of ids many of the taxa I work on were.

There are a few things I think could help me find my time more rewarding and less wasteful:

  1. Have recognition for expertise with a badge on profile and on id - something that make our id stand out
  2. On GBIF under the identification section having “identified by” appear with our name or maybe something like “verified by Inat user
  3. Be able to push ids to research grade without the 2/3 community consensus. Or perhaps a greater weight for a single id or a >2/3 threshold to override. This is more an issue for the taxa lacking experts when observations may never get enough ids to obtain research grade. Or when multiple users who (presumably) know nothing or very little about a taxon all identify observations as one thing (often research grade), but my correct id falls on deaf ears.This can be very frustrating and devalues my time. Perhaps there could be a way to limit this “power” to certain taxa if really a concern for abuse.
  4. Then of course there’s getting recognition for service, outreach, volunteer time, or whatever external organizations look at when considering our activities, but that’s probably beyond anything iNat can do.
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That’s a nice service you are providing, mpintar. The number of IDs you’ve made is impressive, and people will grasp your expertise if they read your profile, but not everyone goes that when someone IDs their observation.

You may have already been doing this, but I find if you can occasionally add text about how to identify something or about the reasoning process you use, that can go a long way in getting you “known” as an expert, more effectively even than having a long string of accurate IDs. People appreciate learning from those remarks, so they are more likely to seek out your help when appropriate and more likely to “listen” when you make an ID. Sure, it takes time to write comments so maybe not as many IDs get done, but it makes the enterprise more rewarding and interesting and collegial for everyone including the writer. And it also has the effect of training more potential ID’ers so you’re not doing all the work yourself.

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Source: https://sciencenode.org/feature/nerding-out-over-nature.php

The collegial social aspect was a founding ethos for iNaturalist, interactions are valued and encouraged, hence the process is termed community ID. I sense that an observation with a lively, constructive discussion that leads to learning is more valued than a observation without a discussion. The chance for me to learn was a factor in my own recruitment to being an identifier.

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Yes, I do write some explanation for the id, particularly when there are very similar taxa involved. But for most an explanation would require writing out an entire key’s worth of explanation, which just isn’t realistic (though sometimes I will link to keys, but the copyright status of them makes that somewhat dubious). There are a handful of power users for whom explanations are useful, but most users never make more than a few observations of a taxa, so the opportunity for learning and rapport building is limited. After my id many observations are never revisited by any users, so the id and grade are stuck. Being able to get observations to research grade could help with the machine learning aspect, as the computer vision as it stand right is really quite bad for many taxa I work on.

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I mainly used to ID things that appeared on my dashboard. Then I thought I should ID more and started on the identify pages - which give me everything from Spain. After 3 or 4 pages and only very few things I could positively identify, I got discouraged. Reading some of those suggestions, I´ve started to look for a species that I think I know and ID that. That’s really fun! I could even paste a preformulated phrase about distinguishing two species. Sometimes I had to say, sorry I don’t know what it is, but it’s not what you suggested - that must be quite annoying for the observer. But now I can say I truly know this species - and I found out more about distribution, which is quite interesting.

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Yes! There are a lot of things I can identify to a genus, but I have no idea where to go from there. Especially when there are multiple species that, to me, look identical. When someone else is able to identify the correct species but doesn’t say how, I am just left wondering.

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Definitely feel free to ask! Most identifiers are happy to explain.

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That’s an interesting idea. I’ve been using iNat a lot for research in the past few weeks, and I find myself wishing I could annotate specimens in GBIF as easily as I can ID photos on iNat.

One thing that isn’t immediately obvious, but is potentially quite useful, is that you can search/filter for records identified by a particular user. So, if I was studying aquatic beetles I could limit my search to things you’ve identified, in order to get only authoritatively identified records.

That’s only helpful if you know ahead of time who is an expert on what, and you can only find that by looking at individual profile pages. Perhaps if there was a way to highlight specialists and their IDs, this could be more generally valuable. It might also help with the service/outreach recognition you mention: if i Nat had a formal category for specialists who make a high-impact contribution in terms of ID quality/quantity, you could include that on your CV at promotion time.

That would require some work to hash out the details, but could help entice more active participation from specialists. I might try adding my iNat IDs to my National Identification Service report this year, and see if my bosses accept it as an outreach contribution :)

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Perhaps somewhat related, I’ve been considering creating a journal post on my Euphorbia project to see if anyone would be interested in helping get the Euphorbias to the correct subgenus/section in exchange for a targeted training period to helping them learn the groups and many of the common species.

The reason I bring this up is I wonder if training materials could be developed more generally through the projects themselves. I’m not sure if there are enough people interested in Euphorbia to make it worth the time (though, I have a bunch of resources on the project already), but if each of the cities in the CNC provided resources through the project to help people learn how to curate and ID their observations, it could really make a difference.

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I would like to see the goals you describe met (recruiting more experts, getting more mid-level users to spend more time ID’ing, and making people more aware of the value of their IDing) but I also think there is a missing piece of the puzzle here, which might be more important than all of these goals: helping people to become better at identification.

Identification isn’t something where you become an expert all at once. It’s a lifelong process, and the more you learn, the more you realize how little you know.

“Experts” are often experts specifically because they know more about how little they know, and how many things they actually need to check or exclude to be certain of an ID. Lots of people can identify a dandelion (Taraxacum sp.) and a slightly smaller group of people can identify white snakeroot (Ageratina altissima) in its range. Far fewer people know that there are two dandelion species in much of the continental U.S., the more common Taraxacum officinale and the less-common red-seeded Dandelion, Taraxacum erythrospermum, and even fewer people know the characteristics to tell these apart. Similarly for the species Ageratina aromatica where it overlaps with white snakeroot in range. Even fewer people have a sense of the range of natural variability in things like leaf shape, to where they can see an isolated, atypical-looking plant of one species, and know for certain what it is.

A newbie though might make elementary mistakes. A plant with whorled leaves? Can’t be white snakeroot. Oops, but it is. A plant with opposite leaves? Can’t be Verbesinia alternifolia. Oops, but it is.

Moving from a newbie towards an expert, involves learning how to know just how much you know…those crows you’re observing in the Mid-Atlantic U.S. American crow, or Fish crow? Do you know a chipping sparrow well enough to know when you’re actually looking at a clay-colored sparrow? And perhaps more importantly, do you know when to say “Sparrow sp.”, “Warbler sp.” or “Crow sp.”? It’s like Kenn Kaufman’s book Advanced Birding. I love that book and it made me better at bird ID specifically because it made me realize how I had been IDing stuff that I didn’t truly know how to ID.

It’s about having seen enough plants that you know how to spot atypical variants of a plant, like opposite leaves on a plant that normally has an alternate leaf arrangement, or whorled leaves on a plant that is normally opposite, or a plant with unusually wide or narrow leaves, or a bird with aberrant coloration.

iNaturalist can get better at guiding people in these directions, and we as users can also do the same thing. Some things I’d like to see:

  • Users sharing more detail in comments about how they’re identifying things. “Note the such-and-such characteristics, excluding such-and-such other species,” “No, this is definitely not a such-and-such because it has these features,” or “But that species has never been reported this far east.” etc. This helps educate others about correct ID, as well as other taxa we need to be checking against, and also helps resolve disputes and more quickly reach a consensus. And by mentioning things like range and habitat, we can help other people realize how central range and habitat are in ID, something newbies often under-emphasize.
  • Users asking each other about how they identified certain things: “How did you know this is a such-and-such? How did you exclude this species?” etc. This helps encourage other users to engage in the sort of educational sharing in the previous point, and it also helps resolve disagreements.
  • A UI and feedback system that encourages users to exercise more restraint in identifcation. The system as-is seems to encourage haphazard guessing.
  • Highlighting and more linking to external resources for ID, which can include books, websites, and online communities. This could happen both centrally in the official UI and documentation of the site, and from users in their comments. This can involve citing or mentioning books, and linking to websites. This can include both material on characteristics for ID, as well as range maps, and discussion of habitat.
  • More users setting a positive example of exercising restraint in ID. For example, if you think something is probably a certain species, but you’re not sure, and you are sure of the genus, then identify it to genus level, and say in the comments: “I think this is such-and-such species, but I’m not 100% sure.” This will set a positive example for other users and train them in how to become better at ID. You may also spark some dialogue that helps you improve your ID, if someone can point out characteristics that you might be missing in the photo, that can help you to be 100% sure of the species-level ID that you correctly guessed, or if someone corrects you and it’s actually something else. It also helps if you really have no clue what something is but have a vague guess, like “I have a vague hunch this may be in the Asteraceae family, but I really don’t know.” Learning to distinguish relative degrees of certainty and uncertainty is important for getting better at ID.
  • Sharing, and discussing, aberrant examples of common species, including verbally describing what is aberrant about them, and how we ID’ed them as what we did. This is critically important, both for training people to ID aberrant individuals, and for raising awareness that these things happen in the first place (which can lead to people exercising more restraint in their ID’s by realizing how little they know.)

Basically, the more I think about this, the more I realize that this is something that all of us can do a lot about through our own behavior on the site.

But I also do want the architects and administrators of the site to be thinking about this stuff. I think that the UI of the site may be inadventently encouraging sloppy ID, and at best, it’s not doing all it could be for encouraging people to become better at ID. I’d really like to see an interface that encourages caution and restraint in identification. I.e. we want to make it easiest and most natural for people to exhibit the best behavior and not rely on people to exhibit unusual levels of self-discipline, which I think is what the status quo feels like to me.

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nathantaylor this is a complete side-step from your suggestion, but in reading it I thought “I wish I had a better feel for the subgenera of Euphorbia (or Carex or Hypericum or…)” and it occurred to me to check what happens if I enter a subgenus in the iNat “explore” box – whoa! a visual guide to the subgenus! Every day I discover some new amazing thing about iNaturalist.

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I love your suggestions about what identifiers can do to help people learn. I do try to do this some of the time, and if the recipient displays any interest, I do it more.

I’d like to hear others comment on whether the current system encourages sloppiness. I’m thinking of a colleague who’s a biology instructor but has very little field experience, but wants to learn outdoor IDs. She accepts the first computer suggestion that looks reasonable but always checks back to see how that went, and learns from the correction. Is that sloppy, or just one style of learning?

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That sounds like a win-win for any taxon! Sign me up.

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I guess if anyone is interested in a little Euphorbia training session, send me an iNat message saying that you’re interested, and the discussion can be continued there so as not to distract from the focus of the discussion here. Depending on the amount of interest, I can put together a journal post for easier discussion afterward. @arboretum_amy @janetwright

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There is another topic with things like this:
https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/help-me-identify-non-experts-welcome/2915

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I think this would depend on what “see how that went” means.

If someone is just looking at the suggestion and saying: “Hmm, that looks right.” then I’d say that’s sloppy.

But if the person looks at the suggestion and then goes through a more rigorous process of ID, which might involve going up to a taxa (like family or genus) which one knows enough to be sure of, and then looking at the possible taxa that might occur in the range and habitat, and then looking at the plant’s characteristics to eliminate any that might possibly look similar enough (In many cases this could be a really quick process, if the species is very distinctive looking) then I wouldn’t call this sloppy at all.

It’s possible people can make mistakes in this second, more detailed process, but I think they would be few and far between. The huge number of misidentifications that I see on iNaturalist, suggest to me that most people are following something more like the first one, which I think is sloppy, and makes the data lack integrity and be less useful in a long list of ways.

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