Add lefthanded mode

Platform(s), such as mobile, website, API, other: Mobile, inaturalist App

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Description of need:
Lefthanded people

Feature request details:
*In the app, when doing an observation, it often has to go quickly, like with flys or bees or may wild animals in general.
When taking a picture the app shows the picture to review it, and there are two buttons, repeat the picture or OK.
If you hold the mobile phone in the left hand you then may want to press OK, so your thumb has to reach over the repeat button to reach the OK button.
If you are in a hurry, it can happen that you, by accident, dont reach far enough, and click the repeat button.
But then the fly is already gone and your observation is lost.
Even more dramatic this can play out in landscape photos where the buttons are wider, you have to reach much more wide from the left over the repeat-button to the right OK button, and you may hit the repeat button.

Left handed people have to life with such discriminating situations, and may this feature does not find much people to vote on, because most people just are righthanded, but if it is possible without bloating the app too much, it would be very userfriendly

Same also with the search button if you explore observations in the app.
The green magnifying-glass button to search some thing like taxon or region is like on the other side of the world if you use your phone in the left hand. (it is as if you have to break your thumb off to reach to the button on the right side)

On the other side, this three-bar-menu is very lefthand friendly as it is already on the left side.*

I don’t use the app - but I am left-handed. Voting for lefties.

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Ooooh, I have noticed that was a bit inconvenient but didn’t think about making it a mode that can be toggled. I would love to be able to switch to make it easier for my left thumb to push things.

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This seems like a good option to add to increase accessibility! In the meantime, I have an alternative to suggest since even well-supported requests can take a long time to be implemented:

Have you tried taking photos using your phone’s camera app and then uploading them later (using either the app or the website)? The camera app should be quicker/easier to take lots of photos when you’re dealing with a moving target, and you can upload them whenever it’s more convenient (whether that’s in the field or when you’re back at home). That said, this workflow is the one that works best for me, and as a righty who just wants to focus on taking photos rather than dealing with the app when I’m in the field, I don’t know for certain whether it will make things easier for lefties.

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Settings > Advanced Settings (enable toggle) > After capturing or importing photos, show: > Set to anything other than ā€œMatch Screenā€

While I’m not, my brother and daughter are left-handed, and… yeah. I support this idea. I’ve seen enough difficulties occur from handedness.

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I’m left-handed for writing, but, yeah, I’ve had to learn to ā€œbe right-handedā€ for a lot of things. Added my vote.

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Lefty here. Have my vote!

I haven’t noticed difficulty with this app in particular, but in general lefties are quite discriminated against in small subtle ways. I could easily get on a soapbox about this topic. Don’t get me started about can openers or scissors. :joy:

P.S. My 25-year-old son is also left-handed. I told him from the time he was four or five that he HAD to learn how to use right-handed scissors, but did he listen to his mother? No. ( Of course, I probably enabled him by buying him left-handed scissors when he got older. #chooseyourbattles )

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Cutting fingernails? When I discovered nail-clippers instead of … trailing around my mother and 3 sisters … can you cut the wrong hand for me? And the ā€˜wrong’ knives that do NOT cut!

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Are you able to share a screenshot? It sounds like you’re using the Android app, no the new iNaturalist app.

Imagine, you are in a hurry and you hold your phone in the left hand and you try to reach with your left thumb over to the right OK, and before you break your thumb you land tumb on the ā€œrepeatā€ button and then the fly is gone.

Solution 1: flip the buttons for left hand.
Repeat | OK
OK | Repeat

Solution 2: put one button over the other, this will cost some space to review the picture and it rises the risk for right and left hand to loose the picture, but the button is reachable from both sides, but they are close one over the other.
Repeat
OK

Also the search buttons top right, feel like on the other side of the world, but there you dont loose an observation and you have more time if you search, but may there is also a solution to this.

And yes it is on Android

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Fast moving
This is not a general comment about RH/LH UIs, but just about photographing in a hurry, for example a fly, bee, or butterfly that moves around.
Why are you using the INat UI in situations which requires judging the photo and clicking yes or no, but desire to move quickly?
Just use your phone camera app and click, click, and click. Then leaf through your photos to see if you have some good ones then add an observation and pick some photos or pick them all and review them in better lighting or on a larger screen later, deleting any which are not useful.

One Handed Mode not Left Handed Mode
Where is the design rule the UI needs to be usable one handed? A lot of these examples, are not LH versus RH, but a desire to use one hand and that thumb. If you are using your left hand to click buttons but holding with the right hand, it is not clear that a left side button is more usable than a right side button. Apparently, you are asking that all actions should be in the upper right quadrant for RH one-handed users and the upper left quadrant for left hand users. That seems limiting.

Which button is the more used for which use case?
In any such design change, one question is under what scenarios is which button the ā€œobviousā€ one that will be used more often.
As an example, fast moving subjects suggest that there will be more unacceptable shots, but when photographing something not moving, acceptable shots would be more common, so there is an unansered question about which button should be closer in which situation.

Are the Wide/Landscape Mode Examples even real?

The ā€œtortureā€ landscape examples seem like red herrings. Where is your thumb in landscape orientation? The big arrows suggest your thumb is on the short side of the phone. Apparently you are claiming your hand so big that you are holding the phone horizontally and your thumb is over to the left thus gripping the phone across the long dimension. That certainly sounds like torture! Actually it seems impossible. Most people couldn’t hold any phone across its widest dimension while pushing buttons with any finger particularly the thumb. Are these physically possible examples of thumb positions?

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Questions about anatomical limitations aside, I do agree that if the subject is prone to move, get a bunch of photos first, review them to find the best one(s) and crop/edit as needed, and then deal with uploading to iNat later.

The ā€œcreate observationā€ and ā€œcamera snapā€ buttons are in the center in the iNat app that Android will be replaced with.

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On my phone i have the iNat App symbol right there on the screen where the thumb lands naturally.
So if i hold the phone and click by accident any symbol with my thumb it will be iNat any way.
I like to use the iNat App because there i have every thing that i need to make a good observation.
There is in any case the option to do some instant notes, it makes automatically the GPS thing or it lets me use the map (even offline!), some times i also can instantly ID the observation directly while i am offline (if i know the taxon).
Some times i also do observations like a mushroom and then may also the tree where the mushroom is growing as a separate observation as it is an other life-form, or a bee but then also the plant, and then such observations in the gallery of the phone will look very similar or may look even like one single observation, for sure in the phone gallery it is very unordered and very confusing (to not say ā€œits a messā€), in the iNat app every thing is very well sorted and in order.
The problem i also have when using a cam (not a phone), i then stimm need the phone for the GPS and date stuff, then i need to do the observation with the phone first, and then when there is time i can do good pictures with the cam, but to keep order i need also a picture in the phone and the cam as as marker to mark where the observation as a series of pictures stars or ends, and then later i have to delete the marker from the observation and replace it with the additional pictures from the cam (you may can imagine, just to use the iNat solution is the way more simpler way).
Honestly i dont want to open a new box, but if you ask me, some one even should hack the OS of some cams like Nikon in my case, to make them run iNat by default (sadly my cam has no GPS or keyboard).

There is no rule at all, beside the iNat rules on observations like to add a location and a date and some evidence like a picture or some sounds, and not even that is a fix rule as you can do also observations with no evidence or no date or no location.
But in some cases it is very helpful to do a observation with just one hand on the cam, because then you have the other hand free to hold a gras still while it is windy or to slightly turn the stem of a plant so that you can see the bug better or also from an other side (such details can be important in some cases and makes an observation for sure more useful to people who not just want to take pictures but also want to learn).

You may misinterpret what i am asking for. it does not have to be a boolean AND solution, it could be and would be better an boolean OR solution. Just a button in the Settings to switch the knobs to the oder side. In some floating GUI this may means some thing like ā€œif switch button is true then stitch the buttons 1 to X to the other sideā€.
At the very end the buttons could even be on the bottom side of my shoes, if it is just a solution that allows users to act quickly without may even harming them self (and buttons on the lower side of the shoes is not realistic and even less handy at all, but the example should show you, that i am open to any good solution for all users including left handed users).

What wonders me a bit, by the way, iNat is used by so many scientists or students, may most are in the field of biology and not medicine… and no one has asked for lefthand mode?!
Its well known from mobile phone users who use theyr phones often to message theyr teenage friends, that they (when very addicted to social media) they get even rheumatic problems in theyr fingers in early age, because they move theyr fingers a lot but never enough to let the blood flow as it should in theyr fingers.
I think from an ergonomic point of view, in a scientific community like iNat, you dont want your users to use the iNat app for years, to then hear from them that they got an iNat-finger-syndrome.

Ohh, in fact it is not big magic.
You see a bug on a plant, you take the phone, to your hand, its a long bug so you decide to take a landscape picture with the x2 cam, so you get more detail and loose less space in the photo.
Now you let the phone sit on your hand, let it slightly fall forward but hold it with your fingers, so you work some how with statical physic, as the phone is now ā€œsittingā€ on the palm of your hand right there where your fingers begin, you now have a free thumb. Now you can use the other hand to hold the plant still or to turn it slightly to get a better view on the bug.
Now every thing is in position, you click to take the picture, but the bug did move a bit and you only see his tail, so you turn the plant a bit more, while you still hold the phone in place, and if you hit the repeat button it also goes back to the same settings of can and focus. Now you get your good picture and want to take an other picture to then choose the best, and you get a well picture, then you try to press the OK button, and you want to picture it again to also picture the front view of the bug, then you quickly hit OK button, but you miss it and hit repeat. Now your good picture from the side is gone, the bug runs away, you dont get a front view, and all you have it the tail of some thing and a rheumatic thumb.

At the end, lefthanded people have to live with such stuff, most of the best designers, not only in computer science, never think about lefthanded people.
Even worse, some GUI designers them self are lefthanded and take it as evidence to theyr creativity and they name a bunch of famous lefthanded people what makes them feel better, but then they seem so indoctrinated to a righthanded world, that they even discriminate them self in theyr own GUI design… verry odd (may its just what they have learned in theyr design course, or maybe its because they are not creative enough and just think about all the ā€œnormalā€ GUIs already out there or because they have to follow some orders from a management that already has a design and only needs a GUI designer to programm it but not to design it… who knows?).

The iNat-App is understood as a field-tool. It is not a outdoor photo-studio. In the field often things have to go quickly, often there is no chance for a ā€œbestā€ picture. If you are in the field and you picture a dragonfly in the air, there is mostly no second try that is not staged.
Sure you have better chances if you buy a professional photo equipment for just some thousands of bucks, and then you can glue the fly to the air and use your macro-zoom-stuff and take the best photo from every angle you want. Bu the iNat app as a field-tool also wants to reach just normal people, non scientists, wants to connect them to nature, wants to be simple (and all that stuff that you read at each corner in the web and even on the iNat site it self about iNat).

It is an other thing if you, as professional photographer want to do the best picture for your bird-newspaper, or if you are just a curious person that wants to know the name of this odd scary bug in your room to then read on wiki that it does not eat humans.

Sounds like one step forward to a brighter future :heart: .

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This is how I go about it. Far quicker to open my phone camera with a shortcut, snap a photo, and move on, than to unlock my phone, open the app, and make an observation. I also like to upload the photos from my PC later for batch uploading and editing.

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I’m in the sinister group too. Let’s make the option of left-handers support a right!

Er … you know what I mean.

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You’re feeling left out?

I don’t deny that a lot of devices aren’t built to accommodate left-handers. My wife frequently points that out. Even as a right-hander, I find the phone app too cumbersome to try to use while I’m shooting some critter that doesn’t want to sit still. Which is why I never open the app while doing photography.

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There won’t be any change to the current Android app and iNaturalist classic. As @bouteloua said, though, the make an observation button in the new app is right in the center. But I agree with @pahill that if you need speed, your device’s camera app wll always be faster to access and better than the iNaturalist app. Just make sure you allow it to access your location. Importing photos into the new app is much better than it used to be, in my opinion (see this

FWIW I’m not left handed but I just tried using the new app with only my left hand on my iPhone 15 Pro and it seemed to work pretty well, especially using the iPhones Reachability functionality (I don’t know if there are analogs on Android). I’d say I have medium to small size hands for someone my height.

I highly recommed using Geotagging Photos to geotag your photos, if possible.

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I do not edit them, and one observation often takes more than just one photo.
I have learned on iNat, that some times odd details matter, there is a water mint and a swamp mint and one of them has some hairs on the leaf that the oder does not have, the rest looks pretty exactly the same.
So it is important to take detailed photos.
I also have learned that it is important to show mushrooms not only from the top where they just look nice but also from under as there often are important details from below.
On plants also details matter like the stem or the other side of a leaf or some knots.

To me its not about a perfect photo for an magazine, its more to learn, to learn the names of life forms, some times to get a picture of how often some thing is in a region or time or both.
Some times i am just walking around and take pictures of what ever appears.

So one observation is rarely just one photo. One photo i may do on a Trifolium, because most people know it any way even without iNat.
Often i have many observations on nearly 2^2 meters, like the plant which makes me stop to take pictures and then the bee and the other hooverfly and then the bug and the strange moth and then may also the ant. In such a case i open the app and then all different photos are bundled by observation, and if there is some special thing i can also take notes like what i think about a situation like ā€œit was rainy in the morning, may the short living shroom looks so because of thatā€.

If i look at all the photos which i have done with iNat in the phone gallery, it looks like some kind of unordered salad, its all more or less just green. To me it would be not encouraging to sort this all out without the iNat app.

Also i am not a fan of batch uploads. I my self do the observations offline and i often feel sorry to the community when i upload them all at once, because then all the observations appear at once on iNat and observations from other people may go under.
At least i try to give them immediately some basic taxon.
I see other batch-uploaders which wash all the other observations away and then all the placeholders are line ā€œnanā€ if they even use a placeholder, and then they do not seem to care any more about the observations, other batch-uploaders just use placeholders which do not exist on iNat, so it becomes more like a private photo-album but not really useful to the community (if you search for the taxon it does not appear because its just a placeholder).

Also to say ā€œey you should use the phone cam app and not iNatā€ … i mean, its the same argument as ā€œwhy does any one use the iNat app, its obsolet any way just use the cam in the phoneā€.
But i think the iNat app serves me better than the phone cam app, and i think most people who use the app like to use the app, just simple.

And the app is often already running when i unlock, often i do not close the app, i just turn off the GPS to save the battery, and then i can activate the GPS if i have taken the photos and press the search location button thing.
Some times i also can use the map, like when the train is coming while the GPS seems to take hours, then i can still sit in the train and locate the train station on the map very precisely.