Can we do worthwhile science outside academia?

What was on my mind today: the limitations of not being in academia. I was thinking back on my Grinnell journals over the years. When I was young, and especially when I was still a student, the species accounts could be nearly half the volume. Over the years, the number of species accounts dwindled until the current year’s journal, I note, has a narrative section several times the thickness of the species account section.

What happened? I didn’t lose interest in lots of species; I lost the sense of making a worthwhile contribution. Especially in the Lower 48 states, especially for popular taxa like birds, their behavioral, reproductive, social, and even population biology have been well studied. What could I possibly write in my Grinnell journal that hasn’t already been published in an ornithological journal?

Even moving beyond birds to plants or insects (or pick your favorite taxon), for someone with no academic affiliation, it is hard to do much more than observational studies. To conduct a hypothesis-based experiment requires usually permits at the very least, and often additional equipment and funding.

That’s one of the reasons I want to spend more time in the Caribbean: a higher diversity of species and less intense history of research means that I can still feel like my observational studies are worthwhile. My last two published papers were observational studies on moths in the Caribbean. When I am in the Islands, the inspiration comes easily to me; I have said before that there is enough nature there to last me the rest of my life.

Stateside, it’s harder to find inspiration. My field of study in grad school was ecology; my thesis was on competitive priority effects among different species of tadpoles, and required an array of simulated ponds with replicated experimental treatments. I couldn’t do a study like that now, lacking the connections and resources. Observational studies as a layperson in the intensively studied Lower 48 just don’t seem that significant by comparison.

Where am I going with this? Looking for other perspectives. Maybe you have ideas that I haven’t thought of, regarding how someone in my position can do worthwhile science (as opposed to gathering data points for a “real” scientist, which is the premise of community science). Maybe you know of unanswered questions that I missed, or untested hypotheses.

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I suppose it depends on the questions you ask. I feel I can do “real science” on Australian mistletoe distributions, phenology and ecology even outside academia. In any case, no-one is doing those kinds of fundamental studies now. Indeed, the pressure to publish as many papers as possible and use the most advanced technology available can lead to problematic conclusions. I’ve seen papers where DNA analysis was used to support conclusions that an older generation of botanists would have ruled out as not supported by geology, morphology etc.

Studies on life stages can also be done with very simple equipment. As far as I know, no photos are available for the eggs of Delias nysa or Comocrus behri. I’d like to add those if I can.

It would be nice to have full-text access to certain papers, but I can often glean the key points from abstracts. I’m having a lot of fun doing what I think of as a citizen’s PhD.

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I tend to agree… It’s nice when we can assist with whatever research projects academics are already doing. But in the opposite direction, there are so many potential research projects on iNat that can’t really happen without academic/institutional support in one way or another. This is a really cool idea if we could convince some organization or philanthropist to contribute.

In high school I made an observation of a slug species which was new to my province. Someone suggested I confirm with a slug researcher, which I did and was then connected with several others. One of whom encouraged me to donate some specimens to a local museum and do some more searches for the slugs with the plan of getting more data and eventually publishing a paper together. However my impression was that one of the steps before that happened was that he’d travel from Europe to Canada to do dissection and DNA analysis of my specimens, which he might get around to eventually but not in the near future. Theoretically I could have (or could still) publish something on my own but the process is so tedious and I certainly had no idea what to do at the time. That paper never happened and I’ve since seen so many similar state/province/country-firsts documented on iNat that I’m not even sure whether it’s worth publishing papers for them.

There are other projects I have interest in as well based on my naturalist experiences but they would all require formal academic/institutional support too mainly because of funding and logistics (I can’t imagine I’ll ever be in a situation to self-fund projects of that scale). E.g. we can find undescribed species as much as we want, but actually describing them has a formal process and it’s a lot of work.

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There’s a lot to unpack here, but I’ll start with what made me decide to respond.

I feel the same when I’m in the desert. I feel the same when I’m in the forest. The commonality (for me) has been finding enough mental space to let inspiration hit, which occurs when I’m “in the islands”.

You’re right that doing research outside of academia is hard for lack of access to funds to attend meetings where ideas are talked about, lack of access to papers where ideas are detailed, or lack of access to funds for page charges to publish papers (people always think scientists get paid to publish papers when the opposite is true with page charges totaling $750 or more for a standard-length paper). Heck, there are even subtle hurdles such as that ResearchGate excludes anyone from search results if they don’t have a .edu e-mail address.

You’re also right that what makes it into journals these days is less natural history focused. Fields like “autecology” fell out of favor or got subsumed into “integrative biology”, so it’s hard to know where work like this fits in the modern world.

There’s the iNat answer to your original question (honing species distributions, documenting the timing of biological events, identifying novel species interactions), but that’s kind of what the publication wiki is for. That being said, science moves so fast that there are many questions that never get followed up or researched adequately. Likewise, there are emerging issues that science may not be able to research adequately. So, I think worthwhile science can be done if one is willing to do the hard work to follow up on an idea in the literature, or to do the harder work of moving anecdote to dataset by careful documentation and measurement, or the even harder work still to shepherd those data to publication. It is most definitely harder to do science outside of academia, and certainly limited to a subset of scientific ideas and approaches, but just as certainly not impossible.

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The vagabond exclaimed

My twin is an academic, and her experience has convinced me that no, it is not possible to do anything meaningful without being in academia. I may be overly pessimistic. I just feel I can’t contribute any more than an enthusiastic undergrad could. I can generate data, I can even process and analyze them, but I can’t present them in a way that would cause anyone to take note of them.

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Having worked in academia but now operating outside it, I would argue that, nowadays, data are scarcely noted even when formally published. The pressure to produce one’s own “results” barely allows time to pay attention to anyone else’s.

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Would it be better to stop discovering and try to fix something? What this seems to suggest is that everything in the lower 48 has already been discovered, all sorts of fixes are needed, but instead of working on fixes we move further away to continue discovering. How to discover fixes that can be implemented by non-academics?

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What do you understand as “doing worthwhile science”? That is, what would your measure of success be? (Publishing research? Being able to earn a living from looking at nature? Recognition of your expertise?)

There is a long history of amateurs and laypeople (meaning: people who do not earn their living as scientists) making meaningful contributions to science. Along with astronomy, nature observation (once referred to as natural history) is probably one of the areas with the strongest traditions of non-professional involvement. It doesn’t inherently require a lab or a lot of specialized equipment, just time and a willingness to go out and look at things and pay attention to what one sees.

Science has undergone significant professionalization since around the beginning of the twentieth century, meaning that it has tended to become institutionalized and segregated from other spheres of activity. This means that some types of scientific investigation have become out of reach unless you have access to funding and material resources (whether from academia or private sources) and to a certain extent it also creates social barriers (needing the right credentials or affiliations to participate).

And yet, alongside this, these other modes of scientific inquiry have not died out completely. Just as there are still local history societies in which amateurs participate alongside academic historians, there are also botany and birding and fungi and entomology societies that include and even embrace laypeople as members. Many of these societies publish their findings and these may provide valuable insights into species distribution or behaviors or habitats. Even in well-studied areas, I don’t think it is true that there is nothing left to discover or nothing that can be learned, though the insights may not be large and dramatic; long-term observation of a particular site may also be useful and more difficult to justify in an academic framework. Of course, the reach and impact of such publications probably depends a lot on whether they have an effective strategy for making their material available outside the limited circle of their members, but this has, no doubt, become easier in our era of digital publishing.

And I think at present the wheel is turning back around to a certain extent. There is increased awareness of both the potential value of amateur contributions (e.g. citizen science) as well as of the urgent need to increase expert capacity (including training of laypeople) in order to understand and respond to current biodiversity crises.

For a bit of context on my own background: I never considered a career in science. It never occurred to me that it might be interesting. Because the sort of science that we are taught in school, and the sort of science that most people engaging in academic careers today are expected to conduct, is largely experimental. And what I happen to be good at is looking carefully at things and asking what they tell us, which is a completely different approach. It is one that works well for disciplines like literature, but less well where quantitative methods and reproducibility are desired. So I would likely not have been happy in a traditional scientific career in any case. But I might have been happy as a nineteenth-century naturalist.

I am incredibly fortunate to have a job and a living situation that allows me a fair amount of free time to do what I please. Since discovering iNaturalist, this has involved a lot of wandering around and photographing bees and other arthropods. I have reached the point where there are clear limits to how much I can continue to learn and the usefulness of the data I collect as long as I do not have local networks with people who study bees professionally, whether in academia or in the government and non-government organizations involved in nature protection.

So I have come up against some of the structural barriers to involvement as a non-scientist and it has been fairly frustrating at times. For me, this has perhaps been exacerbated by both my own social hangups and being a somewhat recent transplant to a place where the local ways that social networks and affiliations are structured are often extremely non-transparent to outsiders and newcomers and may be difficult to penetrate regardless of what sort of activity it is.

However, I have discovered that once contact has been established, the reception has typically been quite positive. People are generally pleased to meet others with whom they have a shared interest and concern about the natural world and what humans are doing to it.

As part of this, I’ve been in touch with a local biology professor who studies bees, and what has struck me in learning about his work is how different his knowledge and activities are from mine, but that these different ways of investigating bees are complementary. (For example, my field identification skills are probably somewhat better than his, because I do it on a nearly daily basis, while his lab tends to do DNA barcoding instead, which offers advantages in terms of efficiency.) And that in some ways, while he has access to more resources, I have more freedom than he does, precisely because I don’t have to account for my time and spending or produce publications.

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I mean, it would be kind of surprising if anyone could do “just like that” what academics can do with their formal training and ressources… why would one even bother then to do it the hard way?

That is true for many other fields of expertise as well btw. ..

But other then in many other fields of expertise one can do real science without being officially in the game .. given that there is a strong enough personal drive to do so of course. Why would one expect that opportunities to do so would just pop up? You of course need to invest a lot of time, interest in self-study and quite surely money as well.. as in any other leisure activity on wants to take to a more professional level.

Of course there are limitations. The field of genetics or biochemistry is maybe not the best playground for the interested layperson in that regard.. but I think there are a lot of possibilities in ecology, taxonomy, behavioural biology and similar…

I think depends a lot on what you view as meaningful.

A lot of people would argue that a lot of what happens in academia is not that meaningful either, especially if they do not get the value of basic science discoveries.

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Basic plant taxonomy (and taxonomy of other groups) is being neglected in academia because it’s not the new thing and because one can rarely bring in big bucks doing it. However, you and I know that basic taxonomy is important! Land managers know or find out that it’s important. Even academic researchers find out it matters as they trip over taxa they didn’t know about.

Look around you and see what taxa interest you. Looks at them carefully in the field. Read about them. Come to an understanding of them. Develop identification skills and make those skills available to others. Simply transmitting knowledge about plants to younger generations is really important! As you do this, you’ll learn about where the taxonomic problems are or what questions about ecology or behavior seem not to be answered, even cases where what “everybody knows” doesn’t fit what you’re seeing. You’ll develop opinions about these things. You will find out new things.

Do make contact with people who work in whatever field interests you. Join clubs, go to meetings, correspond with people who seem to be experts in what interests you. (Realize that some of the most potentially useful people may also be terse, busy, off-putting at first. Politely persevere. Ask small questions at first, if necessary.) If taxonomy is important to your interests, contact herbaria and museums. At least browse their on-line presence. Discuss your taxa of interest. Ask for help getting hold of published resources – a person in academia may be willing to get them for you occasionally.

Realize that you can get help with publishing your findings. You will have to write them up in a format that will be familiar and useable to others, and this is not a trivial step. If you’ve made contact with people who have done this, you may be able to get help. (Be open to welcoming others as co-authors if it helps get the paper written and accepted.) Local or state natural history groups may publish a journal. If so, members usually get a few free pages. There are even some totally free on-line journals! (Be sure the ones you work with are legitimate, credible, accepted.) I got the publishing fees waived for a researcher with very limited funds, once. You can’t expect that people will just let you publish anything you want in their journal, but it’s sometimes possible.

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The simple answer is “Of course!” But, of course, it’s more complex than that.

As others have pointed out, the question hinges on what someone means by “worthwhile,” which is subjective.

I’ll define worthwhile off the cuff as “something that advances the community’s understanding.”

For this, I think only two things are really necessary: resources (to do the work) and communication (to share the work with the community). If the work is never communicated to others, I don’t think it is really worthwhile except for personal satisfaction which I don’t think is the point of this thread.

Resources are going to be time, skills (analysis and communication), access to data, ability to generate data yourself, money, etc. These are clearly available outside of academia.

Communication is probably the tougher one outside of academia in my opinion, because the scientific community is largely academic. Even people who are not currently in academic positions (government, industry, non-profit) are generally scientists who were trained academically and participate in that discourse. To have a reasonable impact on the scientific community, science generally needs to be communicated via some type of “academic” channel/mode - conferences, peer-reviewed publications, etc. There are a lot of norms here and barriers to contributions from people without an academic background, but it is definitely possible to learn how to navigate these. Some recent developments (like preprints, which anyone can post) can reduce barriers to communicating with the scientific community via “academic” channels.

That said, I think communicating science effectively to the scientific community is still a tough ask for someone without any academic background. The easiest route is probably to partner/collaborate with someone who does have an academic background. While I personally think that there is plenty about academic science that is trending in a negative direction, the more recent normalization of collaboration is good (in this respect at least). Many researchers are more open to the idea of collaborating with non-academics than they were a few decades ago.

So, in sum, if this were a feature request, it might get the “very-challenging” tag.

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Side note:

I disagree with this definition of community science:

Community science is much more than that. It is a community lead/driven effort that addresses the needs of the community. While it often involves collaboration with “real” scientists, it’s not just collecting data for them. See https://communityscience.astc.org/framework/

The term “community science” has been somewhat coopted/colonized in recent years by people who have used it as a substitute for “citizen science” because of potential issues with/objections to the term “citizen”. But community science is something distinct (and often “better” in my opinion) than many citizen science projects which can just amount to “gathering data points for a ‘real’ scientist”.

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I had a more detailed reply that I decided to delete.

In brief though, I’ll say that I’m personally in a situation where where I arrived to science (specifically mycology) in a circuitous, non traditional way, I feel like it do have many contributions that I can, and am, making. I know many people who don’t have traditional degrees that are working closely with more traditional academics to publish species, resurrect neglected names from sequencing holotypes, and just in general sort out the absolute mess that fungi taxonomy is in the eastern US. I’m currently working on some phylogenetic trees for a few papers, helping some academics edit sequences, and I’m volunteering at an herbarium to help them digitize and accession a neglected fungi collection from their deceased professor. Amongst a few other things.

All that said, it is a neglected kingdom, with much less broad interest than things like lepidoptera, so it is probably easier to feel like I’m making a contribution.

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For many species of microlepidoptera, even in the US, we don’t know what the caterpillars look like or what plants they eat! If someone can find and rear little caterpillars (which is not resource-intensive), there is a good chance they can get identifiable adults and contribute new valuable information about species’ life histories. And when I read the Journal of the Lepidopterists’ Society, many of the articles provide information like this (or specific range/habitat notes, or specific behavior, etc.).

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Oh hey, there you go, even the charismatic kingdoms need work :3

Tangentially related, here’s an interesting video that kind of explores the topic of lesser-known lepidopterans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdDTkz5SXIA&t=5138s (By going bog stomping and looking for one, lmao)

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Even more tangentially, I used to think it would be cool to stick GoPros on naturalists and make some sort of augmented reality overlay to show all the information we’re accessing when we’re just “looking around”. I still think that would be cool, but now I think the videos would need to be slowed down a lot to keep viewers from getting motion sickness :D

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tbh I think you’ve just described the youtube channel Crime Pays but Botany Doesn’t

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Counting a good chunk of my life as an undergrad and then grad student and then with 37 more years in academia…I can say there are also a myriad of limitations within the academic system that can be both maddening and rewarding. Yes, there can be some degree of “freedom” to examine and explore and test the boundaries of knowledge. And yet, it would be rare that anyone would become involved in a unique scientific revolution (of sorts) and then be seen as some ‘Indiana Jones’ in the field on the verge of some new discovery in an exotic setting - for away from the ivy covered walls and Saturday ritual of college football games. The boundaries (or walls) of science are there for a reason within academics… perhaps with mentors offering sage advice to do (only) puzzle-solving, or support the received view (theory and methodology), and to stay in my lane (or your lane), pay attention to prescriptive editorial guidelines for publications, and to submit grants with the precision of threading a needle using a laser guided scope. At some point, many inside of academia may wonder if their degree is akin to a Doctor of Empiricism. And where did the genuine awe go? Where is the motivation and wonderment of ‘seeing’ nature with a fresh new perspective? Does everything have to be so…analytical?

Here is an interesting read (article) to follow-up on your question…
Science has forgotten that the greatest breakthroughs often come from outsiders who are able to take a fresh perspective.

https://worksinprogress.co/issue/why-science-needs-outsiders/

At some point there is an awakening:
No one will read my CV (curriculum vita) and count the publications, proceedings, books, book chapters, and presentations on my gravestone. Rather, the narrative could be - perhaps we are all making a difference for the next generation of scientists by sharing the love of science (and being a naturalist) while keeping (and cultivating) the creative mind at-the-ready.

I remember as a young child in southern Louisiana (in the early 1960’s) and looking out from our backyard into an old stand of trees and my mother telling me to look! See that? On the tree… could that be? And I was introduced to the mystery and awe of what an Ivory-billed Woodpecker is (not ‘was’) - and the differences with a Pileated Woodpecker. So what did I see then? I am still wondering.
What will I observe tomorrow? A new day with possibilities, right in front of you, on my next walk, on my next adventure to a state park…

Or what will be posted as a new observation in iNaturalist that not only sparks a sense of joy - but that I could share in the visual wonder of it, and perhaps help with the identification process.
The science is already there in me…it is the creative mindset that is at risk.

One final example - the ‘best’ years within academia for me were being involved in interdisciplinary research (and teaching) where people agreed to meet from their different perspectives and be willing to work as a team…and someone said, ‘The problems or challenges within science - and life - do not typically come to us in ‘disciplinary-shaped boxes’…and so we think differently from multiple vantage points. I have considered that approach as something to live by everyday.

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I do think it is important to keep in mind that we can sometimes tend to view our own accomplishments as not that big of a deal. I certainly have that mindset. But sometimes folks will come up to me and gush over something I did and let me know how it helped them - it always feels weird to me, because surely this little small thing that was no big deal to me cannot be important to another person?

For those of us who are science minded, who are aware of all the knowledge that we DON’T have, it is really easy for imposter syndrome to sneak in.

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