You seem to know a lot about this. I have never been to Hawaii, though I would love to. I guess why I said 'Akeke’e over the 'Akikiki is the rate in which it’s declining. From 5,000 to 638 in 10 years. If you ask me, as sad as it is to admit, I think that most of the hawaiian endemics will be extinct within my lifetime, maybe aside from the well off ones like the Iiwi, Nene, and Apapane.