Nonsense word "Dokončit" instead of "Complex" in scientific aggregate names on the Czech web

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Step 1: Set your browser language to Czech.

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Step 3: See Dokončit instead of Complex. Dokončit means “to finalize”, it is a verb infinitive.

Please note that the Czech common name is correct: Okruh Ostružiníku Křovitého albeit incorrectly capitalized. The scientific name is wrong.

I guess it’s something from crowdin and you can fix it there.

I have no idea what that would be.

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I’ve just suggested a correction. It’s “komplex”, right?

Yes, komplex should be fine. I mean, it is in the scientific name so I am not sure what is the actual intention (I am used to agg. in botany). The Czech common name was already OK.

Perhaps the same word Okruh used for that in the Czech common name would be more consistent? But I am really not sure why there is a translated word in there.

“Complex” is not a part of the scientific name.

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It refers to the species complex around Rubus fruticosus, since the species are either poorly delimited or not easily distinguished, and hybridize frequently. So while it’s not part of the actual Latin binomial, it’s part of the iNaturalist taxon name.

I wonder if this was a placeholder somebody accidentally left in because they didn’t yet have the word for “complex” in this sense?

The translation was added by kueda. I think he might have confused it with “Complete”, which is translated as “Dokončit”. Which, by the way, was also added by him and I guess it’s also wrong, since “complete” there is used as adjective.

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I do understand what is meant by Complex here (I hope I am able to recognize some sections or series of this particular one although I am no batologist) and I do understand that it is not a part of the actual scientific name of the species. It is just displayed in the “scientific name” field. However, I am used to “Rubus fruticosus agg.” instead, where “agg.” would not be translated.

So what I was not sure about is what was the intention of having the word “Complex” translated and why should the translation be different from the word “Okruh” used in the Czech common name.

Having retought it, I am now quite convinced the translation should be “Okruh” in the same way it is in the common name.

At least complex translated in other languages in literature when not used in taxonomical lists (botany is little different, so I can imagine agg. used right in text), as well as in speech, so why won’t it be translated, I never in my life use “complex”, but I know well what “комплекс видов” is.

Maybe someone else will explain it better, but it’s different case with the word “complex” and abbreviations like agg., sp., spp. etc.

I’m not Czech, so I don’t know why the word “okruh” is used. I googled its meaning but it looks like a rather loose translation to me. And there seems to be a proper Czech counterpart for “species complex” and it’s “druhový komplex” .

@ondrejzicha @rubroboletus Any comment on the right translation? Any other Czech pingable here?

Older translations that were imported from the previous platform (Translatewiki) were all credited to kueda, but he didn’t do the actual translations.

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Ah, I kind of thought it might be the case. That makes sense.

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