Bud vs bloom phenology on "tricky" plants

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In annotating flowering phenology for a project I frequently come across some cases where I wonder how they should be annotated. I’m sure some of these may have cropped up in discussions before but I can’t find all of those comments, so trying to collect some more in this thread. What is the best way to handle annotating e.g. the following?

  1. Dormant flower buds on woody perennials: Some plants (e.g. rhododendron) make next years’ flower buds pretty soon after they’re done blooming for the current year. Those buds stay dormant through the winter until the next blooming season. I’ve seen comments in the past that we shouldn’t annotate them as flower buds until “bud break” when they start showing petals emerging. However, I find myself increasingly wanting to annotate all of them, even in their dormant state, because (a) they provide useful clues for species identification and I would like to be able to sort for them in Identify mode, and (b) how are less botanically knowledgeable people even supposed to know the distinction between a “dormant” bud that shouldn’t be annotated and a “close-to-flowering” bud that should be annotated? Not annotating them seems like a recipe for inconsistency as more people discover and use annotations.

  2. Budding/flowering stages for plants that hide their reproductive parts: Examples for this are spadix/spathe inflorescences (e.g. Jack-in-the-pulpits and skunk cabbage), which might even require cutting them open to see if the flowers at the base of the spadix are actually open or not. Very few observers do that and in many locations it would be illegal to mess with the plants in such a way without a permit anyway. I see these being annotated as blooming for another project as soon as the spathe opens to allow access for pollinators. Is that a good way to handle it, at least for iNat purposes, to keep things consistent?

  3. Budding/flowering stages for flowers that never fully open: Some plants keep their flowers seemingly closed throughout the entire existence of that flower. Some of these are cleistogamous (self-pollinating), others like Bottle Gentian do attract pollinators capable of forcing their way into the flowers for nectar and pollen. Because it is so hard to tell budding vs. flowering in these based on pictures, I’ve been annotating them pretty much all as flowering, assuming they are ready for pollination and to get them to show up in the project I’m working on, which aims at identifying the best time/location for wildflower hikes. We can only choose one phenology stage for collection projects, and annotating as “budding” would mean they would be excluded.

  4. Budding/flowering stages for inflorescences with bracts: An example for this that I see frequently is dogwood. I know enough about botany to know what a bract is and that the actual flowers are the little thingies in between them. However, I assume a lot of the general public will not be as knowledgeable and interpret bracts as petals, thus viewing anything with open bracts as flowering regardless of whether the little flowers between the bracts are open yet or not. This is another case where annotating them as budding would result in not having them included in the project I’m working on, so I’m leaning more towards just going with the view of open bracts = flowering in a broader sense.

  5. Budding/flowering stages for head inflorescences: Similar to the above case of the dogwood, Asteraceae have flower heads with ray and disc flowers, where the disc flowers are often the ones with the reproductive parts and the ray flowers are for attracting pollinators. Should flower heads with expanded rays but still closed disc flowers be “budding” or annotated as “flowering”? Similar to the case of the bracts above, I doubt the general public would even know the distinction.

I think in many of these cases it comes down to the question: Do we go with a more general interpretation of what a “flower” is or do we get scientific about it? Since iNat is geared primarily at getting the general public engaged with nature, I’m leaning towards going with a more layperson’s interpretation for edge cases. Researchers downloading observations for scientific studies should be reviewing for accuracy anyway before using the data (especially since there are no notifications for annotations yet and there is no way to correct wrong annotations made by other people).

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Good questions. The tool tips in the user interface may be helpful:

  • Flower buds: At least one closed flower bud
  • Flowers: At least one open flower

Hope this helps

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  1. If it’s showing buds, it’s showing buds.
  2. I tend to mark it as flowering until you see fruits, as most Araceae have fairly clear fruits. Arisaema is a good example as they produce berries and lose the spathe as they age from flowering into fruiting.
  3. Seems reasonable. If the flower is as open as it’s gonna get, it’s flowering.
  4. and 5. Yeah this is tricky for me. I reckon working with what the general public would notice. I concur that anyone using iNaturalist data for research should be double-checking it anyway.
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The National Phenology Network people have extensive and detailed definitions for phenological stages of different plants, on a species by species basis. One approach would be to use their definitions as a standard, but I think that’s way beyond what we can expect for our users. I guess my point is that it is hard to make simple definitions with wide applicability, so we should just expect these data to be fuzzy in interpreting the phenological curves and maybe not stress too much over precise definitions that can’t be enforced. But the discussion makes some good points.

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Hi,

I have got some questions which are related to this topic, so I decided to post it here instead of opening a new thread (I hope this is ok).

  1. I am (mainly) IDing bromeliads on inaturalist. Most bromeliads produce an inflorescence with the buds developing hidden by floral bracts. Moreover many bromeliads produce the buds quite late during the development of the inflorescence. So there are often observations with a developing or even a fully developed inflorescence with no buds visible (yet).
    1a) Would you ID a still developing inflorescence as “budding” anyway?
    1b) Would you ID a fully developed inflorescence with no buds visible yet as “budding”?
    … or do you know if some plant families have an additional annotation possibility available that might fit for bromeliads, too (something like “inflorescence present or developing - yes/no”)?

  2. Some bromeliads often flower over an extended period of time by producing one or a few flowers every few days. Thus it often happens that you see an inflorescence that is clearly in the process of flowering (with flowers from the past few days that are just past flowering and a part of the floral part of the inflorescence still remaining that has not flowered yet), but just now there is just a bud, but no flower, or even no bud and no flower present.
    2a) … with a bud visible, but no flower: would you annotate this as “budding” or as “flowering”?
    2b) … with no bud and no flower visible: would you annotate this as “budding” or as “flowering”?

Thank you for your help!

Have a great day!
Chris

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Because annotations have to be used by both scientists and ‘engagers with nature’ they need to be broadly right rather than narrowly wrong.
An emerging flowerspike with no flowers visible - I (not a scientist) would count as budding. We don’t have narrower definitions - because scientists would end up sorting thru data which was more wrong than right.

https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/lets-talk-annotations/627
802 comments, but you have tiwane’s table up top.
At the bottom you can click for - most interesting comments
Or the AI summary.
Both options are useful for VERY long threads. 126 minutes to read? Not a chance!

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Some plants are really hard to annotate, like grasses. https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/how-do-you-annotate-the-inflorescence-and-spikelets-of-grasses/53152 Sometimes a really precise annotation is impossible, I think. We have to do our best and move on.

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Thank you for your replies and for the links! I’ll check the monster-thread tomorrow, maybe I can gain some new insight from it. :-)

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Yeah, that thread has gotten huge. Still hoping for additional annotations for mosses, ferns, and gymnosperms.

I don’t have experience annotating bromeliads since they only pop up as house plants here. I have run across plants with inflorescence stalks that don’t have either buds or flowers on them though. I usually skip those and don’t annotate them at all.

For other edge cases, I probably ‘over-annotate’ a bit compared to what others do to facilitate searching for structures that could help in Identify mode. If they have spent flowers still holding onto their petals or other floral structures useful for ID purposes, I may still annotate as flowering even though the flower is obviously past its prime. If I see evidence of swelling ovaries, I may annotate as fruiting (as in early developing stage for fruits). If there are buds visible, those can be annotated as well. You can annotate both buds and flowers, or even all three (buds, flowers, and fruits) if all are present on a plant at the same time.

Ugh, yeah, I struggle hard with grasses and sedges. Recognizing the presence of inflorescences is easy enough but I often have no clue whether they qualify as budding, flowering, or fruiting.

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