I changed my Display Name on iNat to be the same as my name on iRecord, but I still cannot edit my records nor see any comments made on them. I have over 5500 records on iRecord and I’d like to be able to make changes if they have mistakenly gone through as Research Grade.
Any suggestions? Thanks! (And I’m asking the same question on the iRecord forum!)
iRecord import iNaturalist data - but it is a one way street.
Although iNaturalist staff expressed openness to making it otherwise on an older thread, there is no way of knowing which records have been imported and which IDs have been altered by the iRecord experts sadly…(without simply searching directly on iRecord )
A big loss for both parties from UK POV… the expertise active on iRecord would offer a great contribution to the iNaturalist UK records. It really sucks for UK users. … personally I’ve just given up on iRecord and caring about how they use my data… it seems way more difficult than it needs to be.
Records go from both iNaturalist to GBIF… and iRecord to GBIF.. so there are likely duplicates there(?)…and even if you do pull it back from RG here, fwiw, GBIF may have already imported that data…which may make it too late in a sense - as GBIF only import once… they don’t update records that get altered as far as I understand…
Good to fix the dataset here at least though if you can!
There are some iNaturalist identifiers manually checking iRecord records to see if the IDs differ
@rkl … and maybe @matthewvosper (?)
@rkl had a particular method of doing this if I remember rightly…
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I’m pretty sure that they do update existing records, but I’ll let someone else who knows for sure weigh in. With all the datasets they continually ingest, though, it doesn’t seem sensible that they would allow them to go stale if updates were available. iNaturalist exports an updated data set regularly for GBIF to ingest.
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Oh right, yes not sure where I got that from.
Taking a quick look at Sarcophaga carnaria which previously had many erroneous RG records…the existing records on GBIF seem confined to those still at RG on iNaturalist, post-clean-up.
Encouraging to know!
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I do see duplicates though…
Triplicates even :
https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/search?country=GB&event_date=2021-06-17&month=6&taxon_key=4518758&year=2019,2022&advanced=1
I guess one could query GBIF to find duplicate obs logged as different species…
but that wouldn’t solve those pulled back to genus, etc…
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iRecord will continue to pull through updates made to observations on iNaturalist until the record has been verified on iRecord. Then, and only then, is it frozen.
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The problem is that they aren’t really your records. All records imported into iRecord from iNaturalist belong to the account “admin, core”, so they can’t be edited by ordinary users. Your name will be shown in the Recorder field, but unfortunately that doesn’t make you the owner of the record. The only records that you own are the ones that you input yourself using your iRecord account.
There’s nothing you can do about this - it’s just one of the many frustrating limitations of the current import process. I suspect that it’s highly unlikely to change, because iRecord doesn’t have the resources to fix it. These problems were discussed at length when the import process was first started in 2018/19. For a short period it was switched off whilst a few minor issues were fixed. However, none of the major problems were addressed before it was switched on again in 2021, and nothing has changed since then.
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Thanks, that explains it perfectly.
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