Show pop-up selection window to allow choice between section/complex and species when the scientific names are the same.

Platform(s), such as mobile, website, API, other: Website

URLs (aka web addresses) of any pages, if relevant: Examples:
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/1305786-Leptoglossus-clypealis
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/1293586-Psamatodes-abydata
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/1143191-Chionodes-obscurusella
etc., etc. Examples are abundant in various insect orders but the problem also occurs in plant taxonomy. The issue arises on the Upload page for any of these taxa. See this screen capture for one example:

Description of need:
This is a modified Feature Request stemming from a previous request here:
https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/change-the-behavior-of-the-uploader-to-choose-the-lower-taxon-when-a-section-and-species-have-the-same-binomial/62296
See that FR for details. An example of the ambiguity in auto-filled names is shown on the screen capture below.

Feature request details:
On the Upload page, for taxa which have, in iNat’s taxonomy, an identical scientific name for both a complex (or section) and species level taxon, bring up a pop-up window which offers the user the ability to actively disambiguate the choice instead of the current behavior which automatically fills in the higher of the taxon levels.

Somewhat unrelated, but I changed the ranks of some of these taxa to actually be at complex. They were at section.

On what basis? I’m unclear (either in Leps or plants) which, if either, has some standard usage. I see “Section” all the time in technical works on moths (e.g. the MONA fascicles).

I don’t know about section but for disambiguating species from species complex, this is a great idea.

The sections were clearly named in an attempt to follow iNat’s rules for complexes, which regulate the complex to be named after the first described species in the group. Sections, unlike complexes, require published uninomial names (like genera, e.g. “sect. Lobatae”) and are not named after one of the species in the group.

Section, as used on iNat, is not a zoological rank. The International Code of Zoological Nomenclature (ICZN) mandates that there is nothing between subgenus and species. The rank “section” in zoology is instead typically applied to an informal, intermediate rank between Order and Family, which iNat calls a “zoosection.”

For instances like the ones shown above, the rank complex should be used instead and mostly fills the same purpose. Complex is an informal rank used on iNat for groups of similar or indistinguishable species rather than a formalized rank requiring a published uninomial name. “Section” should only be used for taxa covered by the International Code of Nomenclature for algae, fungi, and plants (ICN, formerly the ICBN), except in niche cases where there’s a critical need for a stopgap measure elsewhere that cannot be remedied any other way.

@rynxs I hear what you’re saying about ICZN, but I seem to remember any number of Moths of North America monographs on various moth groups in which the authors sometimes lump similar species into “Sections”, but I may be misremembering. Most commonly, they are termed “xxxxxx-species group” and unfortunately, those are the informal groupings for which iNat is using the species binomial. I’m away from those volumes at the moment, so I’ll have to study this taxon level question for moths later.

We had a lengthy debate about complexes elsewhere on the forum a while back, and it was brough up that the Curator Guide is very specific about what “Complex” is to be used for, and it absolutely does need to be recognized and named in literature to be added, and it needs to be defended in the literature as a monophyletic grouping:

https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/curator+guide#complexes

It might not be an official rank according to ICZN, but iNat is pretty strict about its use.

Yes, there is a feature request open to add “species group” as a taxonomic rank, as this is used in the literature for pretty much all large insect genera. Staff’s suggestion on that thread was

So iNat’s “section” and MONA’s “species groups” are, at least for now, being treated as synonymous. If a “Complex” is meant to be a “group of similar or indistinguishable species”, then the MONA “species groups” definitely don’t align well to that concept. There are cases where oddball species are in monotypic “groups”, there are cases where the members of a species group are unified by DNA/genitalia similarities and are extremely easy to differentiate based on external appearance, etc. At least for moths, current practice is to coopt “Section” to mean “Species Group” of the literature, and to reserve “Complex” for specific cases where a couple of very closely related species provide identification difficulty. The Curator Guide does say to use Complexes “sparingly (only when necessary and helpful)”, while species-groups are, honestly, not always helpful to have in the iNat taxonomy, and have been applied across-the-board to some large genera in the literature.

Here is the original full discussion about “Complexes” from last time this debate happened.

I guess tl;dr the rank is called “Section” on iNat because the botanists got to it first, and now the entomologists who use “Species Groups” are stuck pretending that it says “Species Group” because staff doesn’t want to add an analogous rank for us. lol

Here’s a species that shows all of these different “ranks” being used to their fullest potential for a moth:

The ICZN recognizes the subgenus Lepitoreuma for all the Nearctic oak daggers. Within that subgenus, there are a few big robust species with a history of taxonomic confusion that MONA put into the afflicta “species group”, and a bunch of smaller species with their own history of taxonomic confusion that MONA put into the increta “species group”. Within the increta species-group, the two sister species increta and cryptica are so similar that they can only be distinguished by DNA or dissection, and are inseparable based on photos. So this pair is given as a “complex”. This illustrates the difference between species-groups and complexes, and the need for both levels. But again, the botanists got Section added, and we’ve been stuck coopting it for our species-groups ever since.