Suppose an observation has been identified to species then someone has knocked it back to family. If I wish to agree with the family, can I tell whether the second identifier ticked the green box or the orange? And if I click agree with the second identifier, does my agreement automatically follow theirs with respect to which colour box they ticked?
if the observation taxon has been knocked back to family, that would imply that the second identifier explicitly disagreed with the species-level identification. there would be a note on that identification to let you know of the disagreement. note that the disagreement is with the observation-level taxon just before the second identification, not with the first identification.
if you agree with the family-level identification, this will also agree with the observation taxon at the time. so there is no opportunity to disagree with the observation taxon because your identification taxon and the observation taxon are exactly the same.
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If they did not disagree - taxon up top stays at sp.
Then you need to hard disagree to push it back to Family.
(Even if 2 of you say Family, one of you needs to DISagree with sp)
Thanks. I think I understand. I’ll look out for some examples to test. It seems that rather than click on agree with the higher taxon, I should enter the name again so that I get the option of choosing the green or orange box.
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I clicked What’s This at Community Taxon for a long time - to make sure the the algorithm and Ancestor Disagreement were applying MY ID as I intended it. And bashed my ID around to fit my intentions.
Unintended effects of AD drive me mad - and tiresome to explain.
At least iNat now concedes - if that wrong ID has been withdrawn, or outright deleted - the algorithm no longer counts Disagreement with an invisible Ancestor.
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if you’re inputting the family-level taxon as your ID, regardless of whether you click to agree with the second ID or if you type in the taxon name, you’re still talking about identifying the observation as the family-level taxon. since your ID will be the same as the existing observation taxon, you’re not going to be able to disagree with the observation taxon.
why do you think it is necessary to lodge an additional disagreement when the second ID already has the disagreement?
Because sometimes the original observer’s mates come in and ‘helpfully’ agree with the original species-level id. Also, if the first family-level identifier has clicked the green button, I need to click the orange one, assuming I am sure the species-level id. is wrong.
until / unless the observer’s friends’ identifications put the observation taxon back below family level, you won’t have an opportunity to disagree if you make a family-level observation. that’s just the way the system works for now.
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OK. Thanks.
You are welcome to @mention me, or send a PM with obs numbers - if the Community Taxon algorithm is being unfriendly (to put it politely).
Thanks. It isn’t a chronic problem. I just wanted to understand how it works.
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