Have now added 126 obs of insects (a couple of spiders as well) without using the LSF, and all obs uploaded no problem.
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Ok, so just to be clear, we’re talking about https://www.inaturalist.org/observation_fields/325 with the value set to adult, right? As you’ve done at https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/37071606? I just tried uploading a photo with the Uploader and adding that observation field with that value and everything was fine, so while adding that field might be necessary to reproduce this bug, it doesn’t seem to be sufficient. Have you experimented with batches of different sizes? E.g. if you upload just one observation and add just that field, do you get the problem? Does it happen with every photo or just one? Does the batch need to include 10 photos? 20? Is there any correlation with time of day?
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i get the sense for some reason that the people who have experienced this problem are on the same kind of internet connection. i wonder if a slow / flaky connection can mess things up somehow? like if the base observation is loaded but then there’s a hiccup while waiting to create the associated child observation field record, then maybe that could cause this kind of issue? (just suspicions… haven’t actually dug through the code to see the sequence of what happens in the uploader.)
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Possibly related to this? https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/slow-loading-time-when-adding-annotations/8348/6
Ken-ichi, yes that field.
I have uploaded between 1 and perhaps 15 obs in a batch. I start losing an ob at 4 obs in a batch. Even if all obs in a batch are insects with LSF filled in, I only lose 1 ob (or 2 in two instances). If I upload a batch which includes plants, birds, mammals and insects, I’ve only ever lost an insect. I don’t add life stage or phenology fields to the other groups, only insects. I do sometimes add the Sex field to other groups.
Most obs that I upload have more than 1 photo. Initially, non-indexed obs had only 1 photo (as mentioned above), but on later losses they had more than 1. I can’t say exactly how many photos, but let’s say I upload 5 obs with 1 photo each, I still lose 1 ob.
On Brave I get no warnings of issues. On Firefox I did get warnings. I can’t use FF because it is desperately slow and basically doesn’t work on my bandwidth (either on Win or Ubuntu).
All non-indexed obs show in my Calender, but don’t open properly. The top menu of the page does load, and if there are notifications, they show. The footer also shows. But the space in between never populates.
When I first noticed this problem, I re-uploaded the pics and had no problems. So it’s not an image issue. I also emailed a photo to Tony, but he never mentioned there being a problem with it.
Time of day and day of the week make no difference.
On 4 January I uploaded a total of 152 obs - all insects (and a coupla spiders) without adding Life Stage or Sex fields, and lost none of them. Some obs had up to 20 photos (because cuckoo wasps are so gorgeous), and some had only 1 photo. When I’d submitted, they all showed instantly in my Edit Observations page without me having to refresh.
Hope this helps.
My non-indexing problem may be an extreme case of
https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/observations-failed-to-add-to-habitats-s-afr-project-in-web-uploader/8682
and
https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/observation-field-entries-rejected-during-obs-upload/9554
which all seem to have problems with Fields.
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Slow internet till February.
I’m in an excellent speedy internet connection area right now, and Field info included with the observation at the time of upload is not being included. I have to go back in to the obs and add the field info again.
I’m uploading obs individually on the website (laptop), at any time of day/night (speedy internet) as I always have, and any/every Field info I fill in at the time of adding images, location, description etc is not being included during the upload. I have to go back into the observation and add the Field info again.
Tried uploading using the green UPLOAD button, top right of screen, or the blue Add Observations button top left of page on Your Observations page. Same problem. Photos before and after attached. You can see on the before image I’ve clearly filled in the Fields info, but once the obs is uploaded, no Fields info included. Sorry, after image is not sharp, but you can see no Fields are included.
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@jacqui-nz, that looks like a different issue, so please open a new thread for that. This thread is for observations not getting indexed (i.e. available in observation searches) after upload, not for observation fields not getting added.
Thanks. The new thread was already started, I made the comment on this topic in case the Observation Fields problems were related. https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/observation-field-entries-rejected-during-obs-upload/9554
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This might be another instance of the same problem:
https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/observations-failed-to-add-to-habitats-s-afr-project-in-web-uploader/8682/25
This bug seems to have been fixed. I can add Life Stage annotations during upload and I don’t have any indexing problems. I have tried all sorts of permutations, and iNat is no longer foxed by any of them ;-)
Thank you to the fixer(s)!
Will mark this as solved.
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