Previous disagreeing ID erroneously overturned

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Website, Chrome.

Something strange has happened with Sarcophaga carnaria. A few months ago I went through all the Australian ones and took them back to genus or family with explicit disagreements.

I happened to correct another one today and looked at the map; heaps had popped up again for not only Australia, but globally. Turns out all of the disagreements have somehow been reverted. Check this one out for example:
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/43017479

7 months ago I explicitly disagreed with S. carnaria and brought it back to family, but now it says my ID of Sarcophagidae is disagreeing with Sarcophagidae (???), and disagreement has been overriden.

I know there was a recent change with this group (creating a complex taxon?); perhaps the issue is related to https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/adding-id-of-taxon-results-in-comment-stating-ider-disagrees-with-that-taxon/18101 and https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/unintended-consequence-of-taxon-change/9725

There are now hundreds of S. carnaria records that, having already been fixed, need to be changed again

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@jonathan142 @treegrow @edanko

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I’ve been seeing this as well as of the past week or so. They’re also not responding to the usual DQA trick (where checking and unchecking something causes the IDs to sort of re-synch - usually used for very old records before disagreeing IDs were a thing). I recall several minor ID synch issue with the taxon over the past few years, but they seemed to be just delays at the time.

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Were there any recent taxonomic changes? This happened with many of my ids that disagreed with Aquarius remigis after I moved it from genus Aquarius into Complex Aquarius remigis

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That sounds like the exact situation. A complex was added not terribly long ago.

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When I’ve seen weird things like this happening because of taxon changes, deactivating and reactivating the taxa can fix things. Sometimes you have to deactivate the parent too which can be a pain depending on how many children it has and sometimes you have to do it more than once. But that’s fixed issues I’ve had before when creating complexes. Not sure if that’s super helpful or not but maybe helpful information to have out there.

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@mpintar do you have URLs of any examples?

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I would’ve had a lot if I hadn’t just gone back and corrected them all (probably). I’ve recently gone through Gerridae from all states except CA, but there shouldn’t be any disagreements there. Maybe if I look through some Mexican records

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Here are some:
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/8118504
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/7947405
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/6185906
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/5930544

There are probably more in Canada too.

Edit: removed the one that was an opt-out

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Those are fine, thanks!

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Platform: Website

URLs (aka web addresses) of any relevant observations or pages:
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/49141630

Screenshots of what you are seeing:

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Description of problem:
User uploaded observation, adding a species name
-> another user entered a genus name to disagree with the ID, however,
-> the statement says the user disagrees this is family..., although no taxon on family level has been entered
-> community ID is genus level (correct), but the ID of the observation is still on species level (user did not opt-out of community ID)

I did not interact with this observation to keep the status quo.

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just found two other examples:
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/2604757
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/3979165

In the latter example, even the community taxon is at species level.
The disagreements are on subfamily level, and in this peculiar case, two times users disagree on family level, and one time (correctly) on species level:

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The situation is still the same. Disagreeing IDs (to higher taxa) are no longer disagreeing after taxonomic splits. It is rather frustrating, since quite a lot of incorrect IDs are reinstated because of that, and it is really hard to locate them again among observations already marked as reviewed. Can it be fixed somehow? Is it possible to locate observations of particular taxa where this happened without browsing through all of them? Thanks.

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examples, please, or at least what was the old taxon and new taxon?

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That is a separate issue and not a bug. Before a split is committed, curators can see which observations will have IDs bumped up with the Analyze ID tool. But that only helps beforehand. Perhaps another reason this would be helpful:
https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/notify-users-of-drafted-taxon-changes/38765

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I think this split was a cause: https://www.inaturalist.org/taxon_changes/124216 I have corrected a few IDs of B. selene, making them disagreeing again, but it is hard to locate particular observations now. I am IDing a lot.

Another suspected cause was the creation of this complex: https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/1096580-Pyrgus-malvae I have noticed this quite a long ago and also corrected some IDs since then.

Possibly (and even probably) some left unnoticed in both cases. I have no idea how to locate them without going through the whole bunch of observations.

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I did not think it is a bug. Probably such a behavior is intended, but my question is “Why?” For me, that is nothing except harm and time spent for nothing (placed IDs are not counted properly any longer).

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below are observations which:

  1. were created prior to the taxon change commit, AND
  2. have taxon in Boloria (genus or lower), AND
  3. have an identification of B. selene, AND
  4. have a higher-than-species identification that was ancestor to the observation taxon at the time of ID

you can look through these to see they need additional disagreeing IDs:

id quality_grade user_login taxon_id taxon_name taxon_rank time_observed_at created_at prefers_community_taxon identifications days_to_first_id_by_others identifications_vs_obs_same ident_taxa_vs_obs_ancestor ident_taxa_vs_obs_descendant ident_taxa_vs_obs_different ident_disagreement_vs_obs dqa_single_subject_score can_be_improved_score std_place_country std_place_continent
152144143 needs_id rob_m 58573 Boloria genus 2021-11-11T10:03:19-04:00 2023-03-24T12:54:36-03:00 rob_m: Boloria selene (54068), alex_cicindela_guy: Boloria (58573) 18 1 0 1 0 same Canada North America
147827965 needs_id nielspouldreyer 58573 Boloria genus 2022-07-15T17:53:00+02:00 2023-02-01T14:58:28+01:00 nielspouldreyer: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), fyodorp: Boloria (58573), pg18: Boloria (1456705) 0 2 0 2 0 same 1 Switzerland Europe
147198582 needs_id skamay 54068 Boloria selene species 2010-06-06T12:56:00+06:00 2023-01-23T20:47:47+05:00 marat55: Boloria selene (54068), svg52: Boloria selene (54068), skamay: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 0 3 1 0 0 ancestor 1 Russia Europe
144222193 research richard_bulva 54068 Boloria selene species 2022-06-11T13:03:00+02:00 2022-12-12T11:57:31+01:00 richard_bulva: Boloria selene (54068), sphenodon: Boloria (58573), gerdkuna: Boloria selene (54068), petr286: Boloria selene (54068) 3 3 1 0 0 0 Czechia Europe
132828690 needs_id jiriszekeres 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2022-08-29T17:24:35+02:00 2022-08-29T17:44:09+02:00 jiriszekeres: Boloria selene (54068), martinpaingr: Boloria (58573), kharkovbut: Boloria dia (357982), vaclavko2: Boloria dia (357982) 5 0 1 2 0 Czechia Europe
129637555 research mettevind 54068 Boloria selene species 2022-08-06T07:28:26+02:00 mettevind: Boloria selene (54068), enane: Boloria (58573), kharkovbut: Boloria selene (54068) 0 2 1 0 0 Denmark Europe
129394343 research arnaucm 54068 Boloria selene species 2022-07-31T12:49:49+02:00 2022-08-04T13:02:06+02:00 kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), pg18: Boloria selene (54068), arnaucm: Boloria selene (54068) 60 2 1 0 0 ancestor Spain Europe
129082811 needs_id russianteacher 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2022-08-02T10:11:37+10:00 2022-08-02T12:22:11+10:00 russianteacher: Boloria (58573), marat55: Boloria selene (54068), pg18: Clossiana (334979) 0 1 1 1 0 same 1 Russia Asia
128283131 needs_id sianandymoore 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2022-07-28T14:24:39+02:00 2022-07-28T14:25:27+02:00 sianandymoore: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), pg18: Boloria titania (484083) 68 0 1 2 0 1 France Europe
128158445 needs_id giadacignetti 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2022-07-27T13:38:50+02:00 2022-07-27T18:02:50+02:00 grigorenko: Papilionoidea (47224), giadacignetti: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), pg18: Boloria titania (484083) 0 0 2 2 0 Italy Europe
127209700 needs_id susanne_glatz_jorde 58573 Boloria genus 2022-07-16T15:04:11+02:00 2022-07-21T13:52:32+02:00 susanne_glatz_jorde: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 80 1 0 1 0 same 1 Austria Europe
126528559 needs_id paruline17 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2022-07-16T09:46:11+02:00 2022-07-16T21:36:33+02:00 paruline17: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), pg18: Boloria titania (484083) 86 0 1 2 0 France Europe
125320969 needs_id nadejda_vjatkina 58573 Boloria genus 2022-07-07T15:20:00+07:00 2022-07-08T23:26:59+07:00 nadejda_vjatkina: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), zalutskytim: Boloria (58573) 127 2 0 1 0 same Russia Asia
125141857 needs_id liudmila_pchelkina 58573 Boloria genus 2022-07-06T09:40:53+03:00 2022-07-07T12:33:27+03:00 kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), pg18: Boloria selene (54068), liudmila_pchelkina: Boloria selene (54068) 107 1 0 1 0 same Russia Europe
124910281 needs_id nonomay 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2022-07-05T12:41:00-02:00 2022-07-05T15:42:03-02:00 alex_cicindela_guy: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), steveansell: Boloria myrina (1456428), nonomay: Boloria myrina (1456428) 130 0 1 2 0 Saint Pierre and Miquelon North America
124862001 needs_id moniwyder 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2022-07-05T12:01:55+02:00 2022-07-05T12:09:56+02:00 moniwyder: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), pg18: Boloria titania (484083) 109 0 1 2 0 1 Switzerland Europe
124670887 needs_id serg_okrug_nn 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2022-06-18T08:06:00+03:00 2022-07-04T05:46:32+03:00 serg_okrug_nn: Boloria euphrosyne (132997), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), sergeytempus: Boloria selene (54068), fyodorp: Boloria selene (54068) 156 0 1 2 0 ancestor Russia Europe
123965344 needs_id d_aus_d 58573 Boloria genus 2022-06-28T14:48:00+02:00 2022-06-29T15:54:11+02:00 d_aus_d: Boloria selene (54068), chrisvanswaay: Boloria (58573), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 55 2 0 1 0 same 1 Germany Europe
123349833 needs_id aino23 58573 Boloria genus 2022-06-25T15:02:02+03:00 2022-06-25T15:11:36+03:00 aino23: Argynnini (134168), pmali: Boloria (58573), lkumpula: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 0 2 1 1 0 same 1 Finland Europe
121495378 needs_id annetteflottwell 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2022-06-12T17:52:00+02:00 2022-06-13T00:03:43+02:00 annetteflottwell: Boloria dia (357982), chrissw: Boloria (58573), sleguil: Boloria dia (357982), kharkovbut: Boloria selene (54068), pg18: Boloria selene (54068) 0 0 1 2 0 ancestor Germany Europe
120614590 research oleg_kudrov 132997 Boloria euphrosyne species 2022-06-07T09:57:39+07:00 oleg_kudrov: Boloria euphrosyne (132997), egor_svirin: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), pg18: Boloria euphrosyne (132997), zalutskytim: Boloria euphrosyne (132997) 0 3 1 0 1 Russia Asia
120492373 needs_id christian1634 58573 Boloria genus 2022-06-06T11:36:53+02:00 2022-06-06T13:21:37+02:00 christian1634: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 144 1 0 1 0 same 1 France Europe
120131740 needs_id krystofpetrasek 58573 Boloria genus 2019-06-12T16:12:59+02:00 2022-06-04T12:10:47+02:00 krystofpetrasek: Boloria selene (54068), klimesova_kat: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 5 1 0 1 0 same 1 Czechia Europe
107084553 research oleg_kosterin 54068 Boloria selene species 2006-07-16T10:07:00+07:00 2022-02-20T10:21:45+07:00 sibnaturalist: Boloria (58573), fyodorp: Boloria selene (54068), pg18: Boloria selene (54068), zalutskytim: Boloria selene (54068) 0 3 1 0 0 same Russia Asia
106847724 research winu 54068 Boloria selene species 2020-07-09T16:43:21+02:00 2022-02-16T10:28:40+01:00 winu: Boloria selene (54068), yoshik: Boloria selene (54068), codrin_bucur: Boloria (58573) 0 2 1 0 0 Switzerland Europe
106810046 needs_id oleg_kosterin 54068 Boloria selene species 2017-07-04T12:27:00+07:00 2022-02-16T01:40:19+07:00 oleg_kosterin: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), marat55: Boloria selene (54068) 296 2 1 0 0 1 Russia Asia
105802750 needs_id sokolkov2002 58573 Boloria genus 2011-06-04T08:20:00+04:00 2022-01-30T02:34:11+03:00 sokolkov2002: Boloria (58573), fyodorp: Boloria euphrosyne (132997), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), sergeytempus: Boloria selene (54068) 1 2 0 2 0 same Russia Europe
103869610 needs_id felix_riegel 58573 Boloria genus 2021-07-03T10:56:00+02:00 2021-12-29T06:33:42+01:00 thomasnetter: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), felix_riegel: Boloria (58573) 0 2 0 1 0 same 1 Germany Europe
94627964 needs_id laurenthoff 54068 Boloria selene species 2021-09-12T14:27:40+02:00 2021-09-12T22:42:00+02:00 celinege: Boloria (58573), laurenthoff: Boloria (58573), kharkovbut: Boloria selene (54068) 145 1 1 0 0 France Europe
94294168 research popova-ira70 54068 Boloria selene species 2020-06-03T17:43:00+13:00 2021-09-10T18:18:12+13:00 pg18: Boloria (58573), marat55: Boloria selene (54068), popova-ira70: Boloria selene (54068) 0 2 1 0 0 same 0 Russia Asia
94290468 research oleg_kudrov 54068 Boloria selene species 2021-09-10T10:59:52+07:00 marat55: Boloria selene (54068), oleg_kudrov: Boloria selene (54068), zalutskytim: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 0 3 1 0 0 same 0 Russia Asia
91534612 needs_id serycherny 58573 Boloria genus 2014-06-14T13:28:00+00:00 2021-08-17T15:02:13+00:00 pg18: Boloria (58573), serycherny: Boloria selene (54068), marat55: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 0 2 0 1 0 same 1 Russia Europe
90766008 needs_id pavelkomkov 54068 Boloria selene species 2021-08-01T14:08:00+07:00 2021-08-11T19:30:20+07:00 pavelkomkov: Boloria (58573), pg18: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 461 1 1 0 0 1 Russia Asia
90553447 research vytautas_tamutis 54068 Boloria selene species 2021-08-09T18:45:00+03:00 2021-08-09T19:45:59+03:00 vytautas_tamutis: Boloria (58573), ausrazilinskiene: Boloria selene (54068), imnac: Boloria (58573), ramune_vakare: Boloria selene (54068) 0 2 1 0 0 Lithuania Europe
90403007 needs_id tadas_gruzinskas 58573 Boloria genus 2021-08-08T14:40:13+03:00 2021-08-08T18:38:13+03:00 imnac: Boloria (58573), tadas_gruzinskas: Boloria (58573), kharkovbut: Boloria selene (54068), chrisvanswaay: Boloria selene (54068) 0 2 0 1 0 same Lithuania Europe
89942213 needs_id kiramarch 58573 Boloria genus 2021-08-04T18:06:00+03:00 2021-08-04T22:21:59+03:00 kiramarch: Boloria dia (357982), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), pg18: Boloria selene (54068) 455 1 0 2 0 same Russia Europe
89833058 casual patrick222 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2021-07-12T13:50:00+01:00 2021-08-03T22:43:32+01:00 patrick222: Boloria euphrosyne (132997), dipper12: Boloria selene (54068), audrey_turner: Boloria selene (54068), bazwal: Argynnini (134168), simontonge: Argynnini (134168) 0 0 1 2 0 descendant, ancestor 0 United Kingdom Europe
85191200 casual katiehanson 54068 Boloria selene species 2021-07-01T09:36:51+02:00 2021-07-01T12:27:59+02:00 katiehanson: Boloria selene (54068), audrey_turner: Boloria selene (54068), chrisvanswaay: Boloria selene (54068), bazwal: Pterygota (184884) 3 3 1 0 0 -1 1 United Kingdom Europe
84279509 needs_id kirmel 58573 Boloria genus 2021-06-24T09:36:28+02:00 2021-06-24T09:56:09+02:00 kirmel: Boloria selene (54068), pg18: Boloria (58573), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 502 2 0 1 0 same 1 Norway Europe
83814192 needs_id lyuda59 58573 Boloria genus 2021-06-20T08:00:00+03:00 2021-06-20T20:34:13+03:00 kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), pg18: Boloria selene (54068), lyuda59: Boloria selene (54068) 506 1 0 1 0 same Russia Europe
83810828 research stepan9 54068 Boloria selene species 2021-06-11T10:30:00+06:00 2021-06-20T23:13:01+06:00 marat55: Boloria selene (54068), stepan9: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 0 2 1 0 0 Russia Asia
83747065 needs_id denis_v 54068 Boloria selene species 2021-06-19T10:05:00+00:00 2021-06-20T06:10:07+00:00 denis_v: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 180 1 1 0 0 0 Russia Asia
83711764 research johncooper 54068 Boloria selene species 2021-06-13T12:09:00+01:00 2021-06-20T00:11:10+01:00 johncooper: Boloria selene (54068), chinbrad: Boloria (58573), simontonge: Boloria selene (54068) 0 2 1 0 0 United Kingdom Europe
82650167 needs_id lyuda59 58573 Boloria genus 2021-06-12T06:42:00+03:00 2021-06-12T11:51:39+03:00 kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), sergeytempus: Boloria selene (54068), lyuda59: Boloria selene (54068) 515 1 0 1 0 same Russia Europe
82272743 research find_msrm 54068 Boloria selene species 2021-06-09T15:46:14+05:00 2021-06-09T15:47:02+05:00 marat55: Boloria selene (54068), find_msrm: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 0 2 1 0 0 same Russia Asia
81745918 research jenniferbland1 54068 Boloria selene species 2021-06-05T18:46:11+00:00 paulkdavis: Nymphalidae (47922), bazwal: Boloria selene (54068), ray237: Boloria selene (54068), jenniferbland1: Boloria (58573) 0 2 2 0 0 United Kingdom Europe
80913471 needs_id larisa_oskolkova 54068 Boloria selene species 2012-06-17T20:49:00+04:00 2021-05-30T20:50:38+03:00 marat55: Boloria selene (54068), larisa_oskolkova: Boloria selene (54068), anton_nikolaev: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), fyodorp: Boloria (58573) 0 3 1 0 0 same 1 Russia Asia
54667792 needs_id ornellastopazzolo 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2020-07-05T08:47:32+02:00 2020-07-28T22:19:15+02:00 ornellastopazzolo: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), perkabg: Boloria euphrosyne (132997) 70 0 1 2 0 1 Italy Europe
52050644 research terolinjama 54068 Boloria selene species 2020-07-05T13:45:00+03:00 2020-07-05T21:18:19+03:00 perkabg: Boloria (58573), aino23: Boloria selene (54068), pmali: Boloria selene (54068), terolinjama: Boloria selene (54068), jkt: Boloria selene (54068) 0 4 1 0 0 ancestor Finland Europe
50137219 needs_id juuri 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2020-06-19T11:35:04+03:00 2020-06-19T13:30:29+03:00 juuri: Boloria selene (54068), perkabg: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), aino23: Boloria euphrosyne (132997) 0 0 1 2 0 descendant 1 Finland Europe
49104752 needs_id luontoharrastaja 58573 Boloria genus 2020-06-10T11:29:30+03:00 2020-06-10T11:30:02+03:00 luontoharrastaja: Boloria selene (54068), pg18: Boloria (58573), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 486 2 0 1 0 same 1 Finland Europe
49104735 needs_id luontoharrastaja 58573 Boloria genus 2020-06-10T11:28:01+03:00 2020-06-10T11:29:27+03:00 luontoharrastaja: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 1356 1 0 1 0 same 1 Finland Europe
47781000 needs_id kitty57 58573 Boloria genus 2018-08-05T11:15:00+01:00 2020-05-29T23:15:00+01:00 kitty57: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 1367 1 0 1 0 same France Europe
38792606 research tanya_komi 54068 Boloria selene species 2019-07-07T11:07:00+03:00 2020-02-18T15:18:14+03:00 kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), perkabg: Boloria selene (54068), tanya_komi: Boloria selene (54068), denis_ivanov: Boloria selene (54068) 0 3 1 0 0 ancestor Russia Europe
38609110 needs_id regnum_animalia 58573 Boloria genus 2020-02-13T17:41:20+00:00 regnum_animalia: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 0 1 0 1 0 same 1 Russia Europe
38373464 needs_id poanemoralis 58573 Boloria genus 2018-06-15T12:42:00+02:00 2020-02-07T01:25:01+01:00 poanemoralis: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 0 1 0 1 0 same Austria Europe
30797242 needs_id bikinitrip 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2019-08-06T14:45:00+05:30 2019-08-14T11:25:15+05:30 bikinitrip: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), perkabg: Boloria selenis (1007803) 0 0 1 2 0 Russia Asia
29128222 needs_id danielebaroni 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2019-06-21T10:36:19+03:00 2019-07-19T22:00:40+03:00 danielebaroni: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), aino23: Boloria euphrosyne (132997) 21 0 1 2 0 descendant 1 Finland Europe
28884638 research guste6 484083 Boloria titania species 2019-07-15T15:05:27+02:00 2019-07-15T21:30:38+02:00 guste6: Boloria selene (54068), alex_cicindela_guy: Boloria (58573), kharkovbut: Boloria titania (484083), leo_dapporto: Boloria titania (484083), svania: Boloria titania (484083) 0 3 1 0 1 Austria Europe
28861889 needs_id ddrbcdegh 58573 Boloria genus 2019-07-15T12:51:29+00:00 ddrbcdegh: Boloria (58573), yoshik: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 449 2 0 1 0 same 1 Switzerland Europe
28565062 needs_id janems 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2019-06-30T12:47:00+07:00 2019-07-11T00:20:31+07:00 janems: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), perkabg: Boloria thore (484084), pg18: Boloria thore (484084) 31 0 1 2 0 Russia Asia
27172458 needs_id knut2 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2019-06-17T15:41:00+02:00 2019-06-17T22:18:05+02:00 knut2: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), pg18: Boloria euphrosyne (132997) 53 0 1 2 0 1 Norway Europe
26656359 needs_id aaroms 58573 Boloria genus 2019-06-08T09:13:24+03:00 2019-06-09T08:02:15+03:00 aaroms: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 497 1 0 1 0 same 1 Finland Europe
26436360 casual ptit_ecureuil 54068 Boloria selene species 2019-06-05T14:50:00+02:00 2019-06-05T14:53:36+02:00 ptit_ecureuil: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 65 1 1 0 0 France Europe
23328997 needs_id chris_bate2000 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2019-04-20T17:47:16+02:00 2019-04-27T10:44:16+02:00 chris_bate2000: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), maxime-fousse: Boloria dia (357982) 3 0 1 2 0 descendant France Europe
18581041 research arunasjuknevicius 54068 Boloria selene species 2018-06-05T13:45:00+03:00 2018-11-23T21:10:32+02:00 jessica481: Boloria (58573), chrisvanswaay: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria selene (54068), arunasjuknevicius: Boloria selene (54068) 0 3 1 0 0 same Lithuania Europe
16518700 research acaciocosta 54068 Boloria selene species 2018-08-16T15:38:00+01:00 2018-09-14T14:06:57+01:00 kostaszontanos: Nymphalidae (47922), rafaelmatias: Boloria selene (54068), valter: Boloria selene (54068), kemper: Boloria selene (54068), acaciocosta: Boloria selene (54068) 0 4 1 0 0 ancestor -1 Portugal Europe
15344091 needs_id theworldofpaolo 58573 Boloria genus 2018-08-11T12:07:00+02:00 2018-08-12T11:33:35+02:00 theworldofpaolo: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 206 1 0 1 0 same 1 Switzerland Europe
15178264 research sindic 54068 Boloria selene species 2018-08-06T12:03:03+02:00 2018-08-06T22:48:58+02:00 sindic: Boloria selene (54068), marcobonifacino: Boloria selene (54068), andrebatt: Boloria (58573) 5 2 1 0 0 Italy Europe
14382127 research oskarlphansen 132997 Boloria euphrosyne species 2018-06-08T14:40:00+02:00 2018-07-15T16:48:23+02:00 oskarlphansen: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), perkabg: Boloria euphrosyne (132997), falkdalen: Boloria euphrosyne (132997), yoshik: Boloria euphrosyne (132997) 242 3 1 0 1 Sweden Europe
14234994 needs_id assuss 334979 Clossiana subgenus 2018-07-09T13:20:16+02:00 2018-07-10T20:00:04+02:00 assuss: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), yoshik: Boloria titania (484083) 239 0 1 2 0 Austria Europe
13665765 research kevinkclausen 54068 Boloria selene species 2018-06-22T13:22:12+02:00 2018-06-22T14:37:08+02:00 kevinkclausen: Boloria selene (54068), oskarlphansen: Argynnini (134168), valter: Boloria selene (54068) 21 2 1 0 0 Denmark Europe
12886344 research parco_orobie_valtellinesi 54068 Boloria selene species 2018-05-27T11:01:00+02:00 2018-05-28T10:26:41+02:00 chrisvanswaay: Boloria selene (54068), fausto: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria selene (54068), parco_orobie_valtellinesi: Boloria (58573), leo_dapporto: Boloria selene (54068) 0 4 1 0 0 Italy Europe
8535934 research paultavares 132997 Boloria euphrosyne species 2009-06-21T10:14:00+02:00 2017-10-24T23:31:51+02:00 jemredwood: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), paultavares: Boloria euphrosyne (132997), perkabg: Boloria euphrosyne (132997), falkdalen: Boloria euphrosyne (132997) 0 3 1 0 1 Norway Europe
7040258 research tkoffel 54068 Boloria selene species 2017-07-07T12:35:00-04:00 2017-07-13T16:03:28-04:00 tkoffel: Boloria selene (54068), chrisvanswaay: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 27 2 1 0 0 France Europe
6967405 research cristianomantovani 54068 Boloria selene species 2017-07-04T08:35:00+02:00 2017-07-08T17:49:02+02:00 stefaniadalpra: Heliconiinae (60854), chrisvanswaay: Boloria selene (54068), cristianomantovani: Boloria selene (54068), eliag: Boloria (58573) 0 2 2 0 0 Italy Europe
4386729 needs_id silversea_starsong 54068 Boloria selene species 2007-05-28T11:52:00-07:00 2016-10-18T13:48:30-07:00 FALSE silversea_starsong: Boloria selene (54068), kd0137: Boloria selene (54068), perkabg: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573), bazwal: Boloria (58573) 937 3 1 0 0 1 United Kingdom Europe
3407651 research sindic 54068 Boloria selene species 2016-06-08T09:31:20+02:00 sindic: Boloria selene (54068), artikaelena: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria (58573) 0 2 1 0 0 Italy Europe
1682022 research speedy 54068 Boloria selene species 2015-06-24T17:08:08+02:00 speedy: Boloria selene (54068), paulcools: Boloria selene (54068), kharkovbut: Boloria selene (54068), robberfly: Argynnini (134168), djilali_tahri: Argynnini (134168) 0 3 1 0 0 Germany Europe
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Wow, that is perfect! Thanks! I will go through.

Any clue how to create such database requests?

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yes. i adapted a Jupyter notebook that i’ve been working on, with the following changes:

  1. uncomment (remove the leading # from the) lines that begin with:
    • {'label': 'ident_taxa_vs_prev_ancestor' (allows you to find identifications that were an ancestor to the observation taxon at the time of ID)
    • {'ref': 'place_ids'} (allows you to get standard place names)
  2. modify the following lines:
    • req_params_string = 'spam=false&taxon_id=58573&ident_taxon_id=54068&created_d2=2023-03-10' (look for taxon Bolonia, with an identification of B. selene, created before the change date)
    • obs = await get_obs(req_params, get_all_pages=True, use_authorization=False, post_parse_filter_function=(lambda x: x['ident_taxa_vs_prev_ancestor'] > 0)) (get all records, applying a client-side filter for identifications which were ancestors to the obs taxon at the time of ID)
  3. run
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