Why don't these observations show up in this project? - "Official" Topic

Hello, I have a Collection project:
https://www.inaturalist.org/projects/the-secret-garden

that pulls observations from this place:
https://www.inaturalist.org/places/the-garden

I created them about 24 hours ago, so I believe the system has had time to do whatever re-indexing it must. Let me know if I just need to wait longer.

Most of the observations I wish it to pull are obscured. Example:
https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/111111629
I read above that there are limitations to the ability to pull obscured observations into a collection project, but I’m seeing an odd mix of results and wondering if they are as expected.

I granted the project permission to see all my obscured observations. In some ways, they are showing in the project and in others they are not. See image below

  • They are included in the top level counts - of the 188 observations, 137 are mine YAY
  • They appear in Recent Observations - the 4 shown now are all mine YAY
  • I do not appear in the Most Observations or Most Species lists
  • My observations do not appear in the Map of Observations

Are all these the expected results of obscuring my observations?
I understand I may need to switch to a traditional project.

Thank you!

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I think when projects started being able to use obscured information, the leaderboards/maps were never updated to use that information. So I would guess this is expected behavior in that there was never an attempt to make use of the obscured locations, but you could also consider it a bug, similar to https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/species-showing-in-project-observations-but-not-counted-among-species-when-trusted-with-hidden-coordinates/28283.
At any rate, your observations are in the project, but users who don’t have permission to see the obscured coordinates won’t see them as in the project. For example, this is what I see:

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Hi all,

I’m trying to figure out why my photo isn’t showing up in a new project I’ve created (link below). I’ve drawn in boundaries for my school campus, made it open to all users, and set date observed to “any”.

I read on the forum that a common problem is the size of the accuracy circle.
However, when I go into my observation (uploaded from photo on Android phone), it has the specific coordinates but for Accuracy it says “not recorded”.

  • Is this just how it works with smartphone photos/data (ie- are accuracy circles more of an issue when adding locations manually?)
  • Is this a problem?
  • Is there a way for me to make an accuracy circle or edit it (and would I want to do this any way?)
  • If this is not the problem, what else should I check?

I appreciate your help as I try to use iNaturalist in a new way!

Link to observation: https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/112430989
Link to project: https://www.inaturalist.org/projects/lowell-school-campus

Sure you’d want to have accuracy on all yourobservations, on the app just movethe pin and change thecircle and it will register, on browser can do the same or type in a field above the map in edit.
Your observation now is out of borders of the place used.

I think since iOS 11, photos taken with the default device camera app record horizontal accuracy.

With Android this is not the case, although since there are so many implemntations of Anroid it’s difficult to generalize. Since you’re using Android, then yes, it’s almost a certainty that photos you take won’t have accuracy data embedded in them.

However, if you take photos within the iNat app, the app will assign accuracy to your observation (and your device will try to get more accurate locaiton as you edit the observation).

excellent- thank you. I’ll make sure families know to take photos within the app to make sure they go towards our project.

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PS- we found a brook salamander on campus today- in urban DC- and it was so exciting to know we could document it and hopefully sustain their population on our campus :)

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Hi there,

I admin a collection project:
https://inaturalist.ca/projects/cvc-butterfly-blitz-2022

One of our participants just contacted me to ask why their observations aren’t showing up in it.

https://inaturalist.ca/observations/117461318
https://inaturalist.ca/observations/117461687
https://inaturalist.ca/observations/119104952

I’m used to handling this question when it comes up for the usual reasons, but I can’t see immediately why these particular ones are not in the project. They match our requirements for taxon (butterflies), dates (May 14-Sept 18) , location (within the Credit River Watershed), and quality (research grade, needs ID). They are not obscured. Yes, one of them seems to be a duplicate but no one has flagged it for data quality.

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

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Looks like they’ll need to make the accuracy/precision radius smaller so that it does not cross the “bounding box” of the place associated with the project. More info here: https://www.inaturalist.org/pages/help#placeindex

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Oh, wow - that’s a big accuracy radius!
Thanks so much for your help.

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Please fill out the following sections to the best of your ability, it will help us investigate bugs if we have this information at the outset. Screenshots are especially helpful, so please provide those if you can.

Platform (Android, iOS, Website): Website

App version number, if a mobile app issue (shown under Settings or About):

Browser, if a website issue (Firefox, Chrome, etc) : Chrome

URLs (aka web addresses) of any relevant observations or pages: https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/135417299, https://www.inaturalist.org/projects/idegenhonos-novenyek-magyarorszagon-alien-plants-in-hungary

Screenshots of what you are seeing (instructions for taking a screenshot on computers and mobile devices: https://www.take-a-screenshot.org/):


Description of problem (please provide a set of steps we can use to replicate the issue, and make as many as you need.):
I cannot add my observation to my project.

Step 1:
I added the respective species to the observation filter of the project. Didn’t work.

Step 2:
I tried add the observation manually to the project. Didn’t work.

Step 3:

The project is a collection project, so you cannot manually add observations to it. Observations will only go into the project if they fulfil its filters/requirements.

The reason your observation isn’t going into the project is that one of its requirements is for species to be annotated as introduced

Spanish stonecrop is not currently annotated as introduced to Hungary. If this species is indeed non-native to Hungary, you can edit the establishment means here. if it’s native to Hungary, then it won’t go into the project.

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@thebeachcomber Thanks! Sedum hispanicum is native to some habitats and some parts of Hungary but is also a popular garden plant, from where it escapes widely. So, it has both native and introduced populations, which probably differ genetically too because garden populations originated from commercial sources. It wouldn’t be correct to say that the species is introduced though. Do you see any possibility of adding this species to my project based on introduced species? There are a couple of species with a similar issue.

As this status should be added manually for each taxon/place, it’d be easier for you to add introduced species for your project filters. (e.g. like here)

Thanks! Yes, probably this is the easiest way now.

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Please fill out the following sections to the best of your ability, it will help us investigate bugs if we have this information at the outset. Screenshots are especially helpful, so please provide those if you can.

Platform (Android, iOS, Website): iOS

App version number, if a mobile app issue (shown under Settings or About):

Browser, if a website issue (Firefox, Chrome, etc) : Chrome

URLs (aka web addresses) of any relevant observations or pages:
https://www.inaturalist.org/projects/pointe-au-baril-observations

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/133409645

Screenshots of what you are seeing (instructions for taking a screenshot on computers and mobile devices: https://www.take-a-screenshot.org/):

Description of problem (please provide a set of steps we can use to replicate the issue, and make as many as you need.):

My observation isn’t appearing in a project. It fits geographically, and the metadata on the photo seem to be fine. It’s in the project area, but it doesn’t show up on the map.

Step 1:

Step 2:

Step 3:

This project requires plant phenology annotations, it would worth contacting project creator as it seems to be an accidental setting.

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